(October 24, 2017 at 6:05 am)pocaracas Wrote:(October 23, 2017 at 10:20 pm)Godscreated Wrote: They all already understood what eternity means, even the youth of the church understand eternity, you my friend are behind the time.
GC
Most people understand our universe like a box where everything happens. And you also have space and time in there, too.
And then whatever is outside of that box is beyond the universe.
No one has ever proven there is an end to the universe, you do know theory doesn't mean fact, right.
pocaracas Wrote:The problem is that "outside" implies space; and actions imply time.
For the sake of the argument I'll go along with your implied end to the universe and that space is outside it's supposed shell. Action implies time to those who are effected by time, God is not. An eternal being has no time because He is present in all of what you refer to as time. Omnipresent means eternity and it is having no beginning and no end and living all of it simultaneously, time is not there. period.
porcaracas Wrote:And both these implied concepts are so rooted in us that we don't think of what it means to have them missing. We totally lack any intuition as to what that means and what it entails.
I'm trying to get you to understand this... not sure I'm having much success.... but I can tell for sure that (at least) most of those in your church will be thinking in terms of the box with space and time to spare beyond the box.
You are stating that we, humans, are bound by time and I agree we are. Even a Christians life in heaven will still have some aspect of time to it, it will be unlimited time though. God on the other hand doesn't operate in time, never has and never will, He is beyond time by the very nature of His omnipresence. You are correct there are those in the church who believe that there is space outside of the shell of the universe, but in reality no one actually knows and no one actually knows if there's an end to the universe.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.