HELP!! how do i respond to this??

[pocaracas]

Hey man! Welcome to the forum!

I know you've already answered the guy.... but... let me have some fun, too

HELP!! How do i respond to this?

So, i got into an argument with a fellow about God and his existence. And i asked him to give me an logical, rational reason that God exists.
He said "The simple fact that i need to have a reason, that our discussion has a purpose".
So i asked him to elaborate and he basically said: "Our discussion would have no purpose if god wont exist, our discussion purpose its life, this is what we want from this discussion, this is what we want this disscussion to teach us, to have life. If God wont exist (the eternal life), our discussion wont serve a purpose, because everything we would do, we will get to DEAD. But the purpose is life ( life afterlife, eternal life), who gives eternal life? God, therfore God HAS TO EXIST".

All discussions have the purpose of hashing out ideas between, at least, two parties.
What does the afterlife have to do with it?! Oh, because it's useful and not everyone can cope with the assertion that a discussion would serve no other purpose.
I guess the person you're talking to thinks himself to be very clever, huh?
When presented with some sort of gotcha argument, it's usually the way words are erroneously used (but not totally erroneously) that help baffle us..

Let's look at the usage of the word "true", here...

His elaborate answer was this: "For truth to exist, there has to exist someting that is not true, like saying: for something blue to exist, there most exist something that is not blue. If not, it wouldnt make any sense to say that something its blue.

Ask yourself, what exactly is truth? What does it mean for something to be true?
In a nutshell, truth is a quality of a particular statement... a sort of metadata of the statement.
If the statement aligns with reality, then it's truth quality is okayed. The statement is then true.
A true statement is one that aligns with reality.

An untrue statement is one that doesn't align with reality.
If people were incapable of lying, the truth quality of any statement wouldn't be required. Everything anyone would say would align with reality.... to the best of each person's ability.

Regardless of the possibility for untrue statements, the statement that something is blue would convey information regarding the color of that something. That information should have its value, in whatever context it is being used.

Why we need to have truth as the purpose, and not the untruth/not true? Not because we see that that thing its doing good to us?Ex: why u say smoking its bad? But now the big problem comes..

Truth as purpose?
If you wish to convey accurate information, you will be truthful.
If not, then your purpose is deception.

what does it trully mean to exist?

To exist is to be present in reality.

because the faithfull people say that a true living with God its beyond Dead.

WHAT?! What does this have to do with anything?!

For christians, that its heaven, so, good for them its that truth, which help you get to that place.

This guy's autocorrect sucks!
According to him, for Christians, heaven is what it truly means to exist... :head-scratch:... is that it?
And truth is the good that helps them get there?

Believers will believe the darnest things...

For materialistic people, those who belive that this is all the life we have, the good is that, that help them live a longer life.

And, guess what?!
That which helps an individual live a longer life, within a social environment, is that which helps the most other equally social individuals within the first's group or groups (we humans do tend to belong to more than one social group). How can a group develop without some trust among it's members? How can trust exist, if one is constantly assuming the others to be lying, just as the self would, under this guy's imaginary scenario?

so which one is right?

Whichever aligns with reality.

if you take materialistic people, why is their concept not good about life? Because in their conception, every life its sorted to dead, the only chance of a materialistc guy to live its to pass his genes.

That seems to align with the observed reality, yes.

so the purpose of our discussion it not the truth, its dead, it has no purpose you could say.

huh?!
What did I say above? "All discussions have the purpose of hashing out ideas between, at least, two parties."
Individuals may die... but ideas can live on, while someone remembers them, while someone passes them on.

But if you take christians, where life its eternal, THEN to obtain that eternal life you must follow the path

Christians certainly believe that there is some sort of an eternal life, after the death of our mortal bodies.... however that is not necessarily aligning with reality.
It is a mere belief. Wishful thinking.
Thus far, since the inception of Christians, since the inception of writing, where ideas truly do live on forever, no account of such an afterlife has aligned with reality, it seems. It has never left the realm of wishful thinking.

=> our purpose its the truth

Your purpose, as a religious person, is to propagate and perpetuate the idea that the religion is presenting a true view of reality. But does it really?

- truth exists - truth its necesary

Yes, truth exists as metadata. It is necessary, because it is known that people can make statements that don't align with reality.

- the usefull things are good

Sure... let's give that away as new words that haven't even been introduced in this context and assume they're just filler.

In reality, they serve the purpose of instilling a sense that the speaker is saying a series of true statements.

-good thing give life

Things don't need to be good to give life.
Weeds and bacteria might be prime examples of the opposite of that statement.

-our purpose its life

Is it?
Any given species on Earth is drawn, by instinct, to self-preservation and self-perpetuation. That is the ultimate purpose: Keep the species alive.
It does have a slight side-effect that species don't remain the same, so they end up evolving into what we'd call different species.

- this discussion has a meaning.

Repetition... sigh...

Who gives eternal life?

Who?! It's a who now?? Where did that come from?!!?!

GOD. 1+1=2 - God is necesairy to exist.

So... this guy just made up a solution to a problem that doesn't exist?
(I know this solution was made up a long long time ago, but it amounts to the same.)

Enjoy.
I did my best to translate word salad into comprehensible speech. maybe I made some wrong assumptions along the way... I don't know...