Enlightened rants...

[WinterHold]

The belief springs from observing what is around the person since birth. That's what leads to the belief that there is a designer.

Is -that- what you think the belief springs from?  Strange, then, that the belief only seems to spring up in believers...despite them observing the same things that anyone else does.  Don't you think?

"Believers" are not a different race of creatures. Many believers were just like you: non believers.

IKR, inches are soooo presumptuous!

Especially when they try to measure the amount of consciousness !

Because people from wealthier western nations have been limiting themselves to fewer children and don't think that birth control is for sluts (don;t get me wrong, we have our regressives..but their daughters sneak out to buy rubbers all the same).  Meanwhile, first generation immigrants (and refuges) are all about popping out the heathens.  It's a disparity that vanishes after a few generations...but it;s pretty well understood.  Good thing, though, that it exists, because alot of western civilization is at or below the replacement rate among the native population. There wouldn;t be anyone to flip the burgers and take out the trash, at some point, without an influx of new poor people to oppress.

Double edge sword, ofc, because by immigrating to those nations muslim mothers and fathers are ensuring that..at some point, their own children will be secularized and, eventually, present the same distribution of atheists as the natives. Last I checked, seven generations was the global average. In the US......it was two, tops. Grandparents often find that their children are indistinguishable from other americans...and not recognizable as having been from the country of their own origin beyond any ethnic "look".....and even that...fading fast. They lose the language, the culture, the heritage, and the religion. They keep the swarthy good lucks, sometimes.

Apparently, we're better at multiculturalism and assimilation. It's ironic that the product of that is fast generational conformity, but we've never seen a good thing we didn't have eyes to take for our own...so, I guess that might account for it.

If every citizen in the west gave it much thought like that; countries like America won't elect people like Bush and Trump as leaders.
What makes westerners facing extinction, is the destruction of natural male/female marriage cycle:

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-...statistics

If you count on time to solve problems; I advice you not to do it. Problems tend to get bigger, become more complicated and large, and that is what is happening the west right now.

It's also not immigration that increases the numbers of Muslims:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/201...s-to-islam

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Dear Atlas,

Not only do believers prefer God over themselves, they prefer the Prophet over themselves and give him more right than themselves.

God knows humans have chosen to Worship the Taghut and all that stems from the love of the false I, so humans have become centered around themselves, rather than God and the universe, which is greater than just us humans as it encompasses all things and includes us.

It uses their selfishness to get them out their selfishness, so it says, there is no real loss of preferring God and the Messenger over yourself only gain, there is only benefit of preferring them and journeying to them, and accepting the favor of God through his chosen ones.

However, as we begin to realize our love of self over God, we naturally realize by our minds that while intellectually we acknowledge one God, our hearts are polytheistic, and the function of the mind dies in the grave for a period, but the heart organs remain. And when realize we are evil, we are to be distressed and put our hope God will remove the evil.

When we truly believe God is more worthy of our love then everything such that everything pales to God and God's highest likeness in the heavens and earth is but a means to him, and his names are but a means to him, and the chosen ones are but Worships of God that he has favored, then God will guide our hearts.

If we seek to interpret and use Quran not as a means of helping God or journeying to God, then we are neither emigrants from the shadows to the light neither are we helpers of God, but we are the hypocrites, the lowest people of fire.

God knows people do this to his revelations, so as these people are little concerned with God, he threatens them to wake up, and to let go of their egoistic and dark selfish motives to God's book.

The family of the reminder know the Quran best, and they are streams from God to pay attention to and centre our attention to.

I don't know what will make you see Ali in Quran past what I have said.

I don't know what better to explain the religion is a creed of love than how God has explained it. 

Quran says to humans to Worship God to have Taqwa in Suratal Baqara but elsewhere says, remembrance of God is greater than staying away from evil itself, and else where says guard/fear regarding God so that you maybe grateful.

Gratitude is love, you can't appreciate and praise without love, and it is the highest form of love.

Not only is being grateful the purpose of it all, it is the only way to see the praiseworthy being, as praiseworthy.

It is what values and appreciates God's Kindness and love.

And the wage the Prophet asked was regarding his near kin (42:23). It is the choice of every human to accept these gifts from God and show gratitude for the message of the Messenger, or turn ungrateful to God's favour.

And the path of God and chosen ones cannot be separated, never has been and never will be. 

God could of just sent a book from the sky without interpreter but he did not.  And Moses prayed for Aaron so that people may understand his word for a knot is on tongue due the propaganda of the people he was being sent to, and knew no matter how clear his words and God's words, the truth can be distorted after him.

And in that lies the wisdom of succession, it is but to make us understand through reflection over words that properly interpret God's book and to see that God book is truly an explaination of all things pertaining to guidance of humanity, not limiting to our understanding but seeking to uncover the Sunnah of the Prophet through it, and getting rid of the fabrications regarding the Sunnah of our Prophet.

May God bless you.

Dear missionary,

It's been a month I'm asking you to answer this question before talking to me:

Answer any of these.
And no gymnastics or textual walls ! no implicit answers!
Just give me one verse, across the 600 pages of the Quran that mentions any of the 5 questions' answers.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-51114-p...pid1638653

AtlasS33 said:

I'll give you many options; all prove your religion if you answer them:
1- A verse mentioning "Ali" by the name.
2-A verse mentioning "Hasaen" by the name.
3-A verse mentioning "Hussain" by the name.
4-A verse mentioning the 12 divine imams that we must follow
5-A verse mentioning the last imam that you and your cult believe will rule the universe or whatever -Imam Mahdy-

Consider it the key to speak to me. Otherwise; you're a liar who is dodging direct question by writing walls of text to cover up another intention; AKA Taqeya:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya#Shia_Islam_view