(November 11, 2017 at 11:43 pm)Whateverist Wrote:The bible does not say where God is. We live within the 4 dimensions of height, length, depth and time. String theory, on my last count, has hypothesized 11 possible dimensions. Therefore, God is possibly with us beyond our ability to observe Him. However, He can then always observe and be with us. Kinda like we can observe the 2D TV but the actors can't observe our 4D.(November 11, 2017 at 10:59 pm)Haipule Wrote: From a Greek perspective, Jesus is God when He became flesh. God has always existed yet, became flesh so that He could die on that cross. I believe God is outside our 4 dimensional world to be observed.
There is no Trinity in Hebrew or Greek. The idea was born in the 2nd century by a guy named Tertullian.
There is no "Holy Spirit" or, "spirituality". That's just goofy.
God is not "supernatural" He is preternatural. Natural yes, just really hard to explain. The Greek or Hebrew does not use any word that can be translated legitamately as "creation". The verbs are 'make', 'made', 'build' using, I'm guessing, zero point energy. The Hebrew word barah, translated "created" in Gen 1:1 means: to speak into existence. I'm pretty sure the word wasn't BANG! But I haven't yet ruled out "bazinga"!
That (my bolded) makes a lot more sense to say than inventing a place separate from the cosmos to hold God. Of course that does make me wonder what you have in mind when you say earlier that "God is outside our 4 dimensional world". But this is your intro thread so this discussion probably belongs in another thread, if you care to have it at all.
However, if you don't mind my asking, have you ever considered the possibility that God resides in the labyrinths of our minds, no more something we 'just make up' than is our personality, our memories or our likes and dislikes. It seems like that would be God enough to make a difference in a person's life. Does God really have to have galactic repercussions to be relevant?
I trust man was made to be free and that that freedom is important. If God is just a mind thingy than, we'd have to listen to hucksters selling self help books and there Law of Vibration and Law of Attraction and "like attracts like". I don't doubt vibration and attraction but, they take those from physical to metaphysical magic. I also don't completely scoff at metaphysical things as they often give me insight to my own physical observations. However, you got to cut through a lot of crap! Studying science is like studying theology: it can be difficult to find the truth but, it is out there.
God just asked us to follow and trust Him as the Deliverer, Director, Protector, and Shepherd of the life of His promise which He alone is the source.
Everyone else is just a goat and goats suck! That is, unless you prepare them properly. Then they are delicious! Truly, God does not care about the world of goats or, what goats do to goats as long as they leave us sheep alone! They will find my God a fierce Warrior! I've seen it many times but, that is anecdotal.
God says, "YOU--FOLLOW ME!" I kept trying to go my own way thinking, as I was taught, that God would bless me if I made good decisions. Yet, how can we trust that any of our decisions are good? We can never be sure of the consequences of our decisions? But, Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I eventually learned to stop foolishly competing with Him and accept His command to follow. Dude, what a ride! Mind numbing assents, gut wrenching descents, blind turns! Yet, I always(eventually) end up at the perfect place at the perfect time in history to be in perfect places. Psalm 23: The Lord is the one Shepherding me; I shall lack NOTHING!
