(November 20, 2017 at 6:37 am)Lomd Wrote:(November 19, 2017 at 9:02 am)Brian37 Wrote: According to you Atlass, is he supporting the side that wants to stay a theocracy? I won't shed a tear if Saudi Arabia falls and becomes a western democracy, but not sure that would happen either way.
Democracies do not arise because theocrats fall. It takes a lot of political maturity to establish one. And it takes time and effort to develop that.
(November 19, 2017 at 9:33 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Warning: This won't be a popular post.
To be honesty, I think the whole region needs to have a single, large, all encompassing war to sort out the racial, ethnic, religious, tribal divides. And it should happen without the interference of outside agencies, apart from providing humanitarian assistance.
It sounds cruel, I know, but the region has basically been at war for several thousand years. both dues to internal differences and external intervention/invasion. If it weren't for the oil, most of us wouldn't give a fuck what was happening in the region.
You realize that we are talking about actual people?
No kidding?
Yea no kidding. i know that. I am well aware of this. Even America was far more theocratic at the founding, not the founders, but the citizens. It was because of their maturity as leaders that they wrote the types of laws that allowed us to progress, but that didn't happen overnight either.
Oh yea outside that, it is about the oil sure. But no, I do give a fuck about people like Atlass and Mystic, not because I agree that their god exists, but because they are human beings like me. It be great if we could give them moral support even if it is from afar. If Europe and America can crawl out of the dark ages, why would you assume because we don't like the current state over there, that that cant happen there?
Now yes, I do give ALL religious claims a hard time here. But when it comes to defending a peaceful person i don't have to like that person's logic or claims to do that. No, I don't like theocracies one bit. But it took Christianity a long time to crawl out of that mentality too, but they did. Even with that, even today, we STILL have religiously justified bigotry and xenophobia coming from our right. We still have attempts to mix government and religion here too.
The only difference between the east and west is we've had a longer leash on religion.
