"Republicunt": why use terms like this?

[Ravenshire]

Except that my wish for my value system to be reflected in civil law does not extend misery to those oppressed and continue to deprive them of their rights.

Just because some people with specific sexual proclivities don't want to enter the only kind of on-going commitment that includes the potential to produce offspring,...that personal reluctance doesn't mean they're being denied any specific right.

You're still arguing this shit? So, sterile people can't get hitched, right along with the gays? Is that your seriously take? Because it certainly seems to be from the number of times you've claimed that a marriage must include the possibility of offspring.

On another note. Since you're such a traditionalist, Chad, are you willing to allow the Mormons their traditional marriages?!?

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Just because some people with specific sexual proclivities don't want to enter the only kind of on-going commitment that includes the potential to produce offspring,...that personal reluctance doesn't mean they're being denied any specific right.

In the "good old days" gay couples were denied a lot of specific rights: hospital visitations, child custody, adoption, parenting rights, medical decision-making power, automatic inheritance, standing to sue for wrongful death of a partner, spousal and child support, access to family insurance policies, exemption from property tax upon death of a partner, immunity from being forced to testify against one’s partner, domestic violence protections, etc.

But you knew that. You also know that elderly heterosexual couples who marry are not going to produce offspring but we never denied them the right to marry, so that's a non-starter. I suppose you have no problem with "civil unions" for gay couples. But that seems to me like a distinction without a difference. Language and institutions change and not always for the worse.

Oh, no, Crossless. You're missing Chads very compelling point that gay people have always had the right to deny who they are and enter into a "traditional" marriage.