(December 13, 2017 at 8:20 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:(December 13, 2017 at 4:16 pm)SteveII Wrote: You and Gentleman Bastard missed CL's point entirely. The disciples would have gone to their death knowing of their fraud. Heaven's Gates and Muslims do not know of any fraud. Apples and oranges.
The Heavens Gate followers didn't believe that Applewhite was a fraud at the time of their death. What, the jesus followers couldn't have been taken in either? I never said scam, I said false memories and the people with the pens intentionally false entries.
The OP claimed that Jesus and his followers staged all the miracles. I was saying that if they staged everything and knew Jesus was a fraud, it doesn't make much sense that they'd all die for him.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh
