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Christianity a scam?
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RE: Christianity a scam?
What about the miracles of Vespasian?  Here we have the account of the noted historian, P. Cornelius Tacitus:


Quote:81. In the course of the months which Vespasian spent at Alexandria, waiting for the regular season of summer winds when the sea could be relied upon, (1) many miracles occurred. These seemed to be indications that Vespasian enjoyed heaven's blessing and that the gods showed a certain leaning towards him. Among the lower classes at Alexandria was a blind man whom everybody knew as such. One day this fellow threw himself at Vespasian's feet, imploring him with groans to heal his blindness. He had been told to make this request by Serapis, the favourite god of a nation much addicted to strange beliefs. He asked that it might please the emperor to anoint his cheeks and eyeballs with the water of his mouth. A second petitioner, who suffered from a withered hand, pleaded his case too, also on the advice of Serapis: would Caesar tread upon him with the imperial foot? At first Vespasian laughed at them and refused. When the two insisted, he hesitated. At one moment he was alarmed by the thought that he would be accused of vanity if he failed. At the next, the urgent appeals of the two victims and the flatteries of his entourage made him sanguine of success. Finally he asked the doctors for an opinion whether blindness and atrophy of this sort were curable by human means. The doctors were eloquent on the various possibilities. The blind man's vision was not completely destroyed, and if certain impediments were removed his sight would return. The other victim's limb had been dislocated, but could be put right by correct treatment. Perhaps this was the will of the gods, they added; perhaps the emperor had been chosen to perform a miracle. Anyhow, if a cure were effected, the credit would go to the ruler; if it failed, the poor wretches would have to bear the ridicule. So Vespasian felt that his destiny gave him the key to every door and that nothing now defied belief. With a smiling expression and surrounded by an expectant crowd of bystanders, he did what was asked. Instantly the cripple recovered the use of his hand and the light of day dawned again upon his blind companion. Both these incidents are still vouched for by eye-witnesses, though there is now nothing to be gained by lying.

Histories, Bk IV
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Christianity a scam? - by Dnte - December 12, 2017 at 12:11 am
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RE: Christianity a scam? - by Minimalist - December 12, 2017 at 1:44 am
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RE: Christianity a scam? - by possibletarian - December 12, 2017 at 4:34 am
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RE: Christianity a scam? - by Mister Agenda - December 12, 2017 at 10:44 am
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Godscreated - December 13, 2017 at 1:49 am
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Mister Agenda - December 13, 2017 at 11:37 am
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Godscreated - December 14, 2017 at 12:35 am
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Mister Agenda - December 14, 2017 at 10:47 am
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Bow Before Zeus - December 12, 2017 at 5:09 am
RE: Christianity a scam? - by possibletarian - December 12, 2017 at 5:42 am
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RE: Christianity a scam? - by John V - December 13, 2017 at 5:08 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Mister Agenda - December 13, 2017 at 6:11 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Minimalist - December 13, 2017 at 9:37 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Minimalist - December 13, 2017 at 11:56 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by possibletarian - December 14, 2017 at 12:17 am
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Catholic_Lady - December 14, 2017 at 11:04 am
RE: Christianity a scam? - by JackRussell - December 14, 2017 at 2:12 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Dnte - December 15, 2017 at 1:05 am
RE: Christianity a scam? - by John V - December 15, 2017 at 8:50 am
RE: Christianity a scam? - by vorlon13 - December 15, 2017 at 8:53 am
RE: Christianity a scam? - by SteveII - December 15, 2017 at 9:36 am
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Catholic_Lady - December 15, 2017 at 10:57 am
RE: Christianity a scam? - by brewer - December 15, 2017 at 2:08 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Succubus - December 15, 2017 at 1:43 am
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Dnte - December 15, 2017 at 2:02 am
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Dnte - December 15, 2017 at 11:58 am
RE: Christianity a scam? - by SteveII - December 15, 2017 at 12:27 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Succubus - December 15, 2017 at 4:17 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by SteveII - December 15, 2017 at 12:49 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Mister Agenda - December 15, 2017 at 12:43 pm
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RE: Christianity a scam? - by Minimalist - December 15, 2017 at 1:08 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Dnte - December 15, 2017 at 1:33 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by SteveII - December 15, 2017 at 2:26 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by brewer - December 15, 2017 at 3:57 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Minimalist - December 15, 2017 at 2:38 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by SteveII - December 15, 2017 at 2:51 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Ravenshire - December 15, 2017 at 3:35 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by SteveII - December 15, 2017 at 3:59 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by brewer - December 15, 2017 at 5:45 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by SteveII - December 16, 2017 at 10:55 am
RE: Christianity a scam? - by brewer - December 16, 2017 at 11:12 am
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Kernel Sohcahtoa - December 16, 2017 at 12:20 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Abaddon_ire - December 17, 2017 at 10:16 am
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Minimalist - December 15, 2017 at 3:46 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Dnte - December 15, 2017 at 9:39 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Haipule - December 16, 2017 at 1:48 am
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 16, 2017 at 6:46 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Haipule - December 16, 2017 at 9:48 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 16, 2017 at 11:44 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by vorlon13 - December 15, 2017 at 4:38 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Neo-Scholastic - December 15, 2017 at 4:42 pm
RE: Christianity a scam? - by vorlon13 - December 16, 2017 at 1:04 am
RE: Christianity a scam? - by Succubus - December 16, 2017 at 6:59 pm

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