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Trascending through time
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RE: Trascending through time
(December 19, 2017 at 4:29 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:
(December 19, 2017 at 10:10 am)Little Rik Wrote: According to yoga and to me everything is made of consciousness.
Matter is the most crude form of consciousness followed by plants, animals, human beings and God which is the supreme consciousness.
The brain is but a source of energy that consciousness use to expand.
The difference between brain and mind is that the brain is a like a vehicle while the mind is the driver.  Think

I neither accept you or "yoga" as an authority on any matter. I accept logical conclusions. Your particular conclusion was arrived at logically by Rene Descartes in the 17th century, but there are a number of problems with his view (which is called substance dualism btw). Descartes couldn't reconcile the mental imagery with which we are presented (mind) with the physical world we perceive to be there (body/material). He made an analogy much like your own. He said the mind relates to the body like a sailor relates to a ship. But even Descartes saw that it went deeper than that. When his ship is damaged, a sailor says to himself, "Okay, I need to go fix that." But when our bodies are damaged, we don't just say, "Ok. Let me go get a bandaid." We say, "Ouch!" So, assuming substance dualism is true, the vehicle analogy only takes us so far.


Mind and body are one and separated at the same time.
You as the driver are not the vehicle but as far as you drive the vehicle you become one with the vehicle so as far as you are inside a body you and the body are one.
However this oneness end up with the physical death and if you believe in reincarnation the oneness with a different body will take place once again and again and again until the goal of life is reached.  Lightbulb  


(December 17, 2017 at 5:50 am)Little Rik Wrote: A brain without consciousness is a dead brain.


Quote:Lightbulb  Maybe you have that backwards. What evidence do you have that it works the other way around? Look. Tell me which view of these two you accept: panpsychism or substance dualism. They are distinct and it would be nice to know what I'm arguing against. Or is it some other theory?


NDEs already established that while the brain die the consciousness does not.
In reality nothing never die brain included but the brain being made of matter once dead so to speak will eventually turn into other form of energy and in due time this energy will expand his dormant or latent consciousness into higher form of consciousness which in the future will need a medium such as a brain to expand further and further.
Everything is made of energy-consciousness which are but the two sides of the same page.
Both brain and the consciousness that live in the brain are made of consciousness but while one is in a latent or dormant stage the other is
aware of her reality.  Lightbulb


(December 17, 2017 at 5:50 am)Little Rik Wrote: Philosophy is not only about expanding the intellect.

Quote:I think I disagree with that, but the statement is open to interpretation.


(December 17, 2017 at 5:50 am)Little Rik Wrote: Philosophy is rather love for knowledge.

Quote:Philosophy is the love of wisdom... true knowledge. How do we differentiate true knowledge from untrue (ie. false) knowledge?

First, by dispensing with your own prejudices and assuming you know nothing.

Then, by using logic and information to try to interpret the world. As you said in a previous post-- from the ground up.


You tell me what is true knowledge mate.  I'm all ears!
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Trascending through time - by Macoleco - December 4, 2017 at 8:00 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by Succubus - December 4, 2017 at 8:50 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by Minimalist - December 4, 2017 at 8:58 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by Grandizer - December 4, 2017 at 9:00 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by Macoleco - December 4, 2017 at 10:12 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by Grandizer - December 4, 2017 at 10:16 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by brewer - December 5, 2017 at 12:11 am
RE: Trascending through time - by bennyboy - December 5, 2017 at 12:38 am
RE: Trascending through time - by Edwardo Piet - December 5, 2017 at 10:39 am
RE: Trascending through time - by The Grand Nudger - December 5, 2017 at 10:41 am
RE: Trascending through time - by Edwardo Piet - December 5, 2017 at 10:42 am
RE: Trascending through time - by Angrboda - December 5, 2017 at 12:17 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by Macoleco - December 5, 2017 at 8:42 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by AFTT47 - December 6, 2017 at 12:13 am
RE: Trascending through time - by Amarok - December 5, 2017 at 2:27 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by The Grand Nudger - December 6, 2017 at 9:26 am
RE: Trascending through time - by Macoleco - December 6, 2017 at 1:38 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by purplepurpose - December 6, 2017 at 1:40 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by AFTT47 - December 16, 2017 at 12:57 am
RE: Trascending through time - by John V - December 12, 2017 at 8:50 am
RE: Trascending through time - by Neo-Scholastic - December 12, 2017 at 9:24 am
RE: Trascending through time - by John V - December 13, 2017 at 8:42 am
RE: Trascending through time - by SaStrike - December 13, 2017 at 9:32 am
RE: Trascending through time - by John V - December 13, 2017 at 9:51 am
RE: Trascending through time - by Macoleco - December 13, 2017 at 11:13 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by Little Rik - December 14, 2017 at 3:53 am
RE: Trascending through time - by bennyboy - December 15, 2017 at 11:13 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by Little Rik - December 15, 2017 at 11:53 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by Little Rik - December 16, 2017 at 12:16 am
RE: Trascending through time - by SaStrike - December 14, 2017 at 4:46 am
RE: Trascending through time - by John V - December 14, 2017 at 8:17 am
RE: Trascending through time - by Macoleco - December 14, 2017 at 2:26 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by John V - December 14, 2017 at 2:43 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by Astreja - December 15, 2017 at 2:20 am
RE: Trascending through time - by John V - December 15, 2017 at 8:47 am
RE: Trascending through time - by Astreja - December 15, 2017 at 4:24 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by Haipule - December 16, 2017 at 12:34 am
RE: Trascending through time - by Macoleco - December 15, 2017 at 4:03 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by vulcanlogician - December 16, 2017 at 12:14 am
RE: Trascending through time - by Little Rik - December 16, 2017 at 12:41 am
RE: Trascending through time - by vulcanlogician - December 16, 2017 at 12:47 am
RE: Trascending through time - by Little Rik - December 16, 2017 at 1:26 am
RE: Trascending through time - by vulcanlogician - December 16, 2017 at 2:01 am
RE: Trascending through time - by Little Rik - December 16, 2017 at 7:24 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by vulcanlogician - December 16, 2017 at 9:07 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by Little Rik - December 16, 2017 at 9:56 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by Succubus - December 16, 2017 at 9:07 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by Macoleco - December 16, 2017 at 10:08 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by vulcanlogician - December 16, 2017 at 10:15 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by Little Rik - December 16, 2017 at 10:39 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by vulcanlogician - December 17, 2017 at 12:31 am
RE: Trascending through time - by Macoleco - December 17, 2017 at 12:44 am
RE: Trascending through time - by vulcanlogician - December 17, 2017 at 12:56 am
RE: Trascending through time - by Little Rik - December 16, 2017 at 10:14 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by vulcanlogician - December 17, 2017 at 12:12 am
RE: Trascending through time - by notimportant1234 - December 19, 2017 at 4:38 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by Macoleco - December 17, 2017 at 12:25 am
RE: Trascending through time - by Little Rik - December 17, 2017 at 5:50 am
RE: Trascending through time - by vulcanlogician - December 17, 2017 at 6:20 am
RE: Trascending through time - by Little Rik - December 19, 2017 at 10:10 am
RE: Trascending through time - by vulcanlogician - December 19, 2017 at 4:29 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by Haipule - December 19, 2017 at 5:41 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by vulcanlogician - December 19, 2017 at 5:47 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by Little Rik - December 20, 2017 at 10:16 am
RE: Trascending through time - by vulcanlogician - December 21, 2017 at 2:16 am
RE: Trascending through time - by Whateverist - December 21, 2017 at 8:53 am
RE: Trascending through time - by Little Rik - December 21, 2017 at 9:39 am
RE: Trascending through time - by vulcanlogician - December 21, 2017 at 10:33 am
RE: Trascending through time - by Little Rik - December 22, 2017 at 8:57 am
RE: Trascending through time - by Haipule - December 18, 2017 at 3:00 am
RE: Trascending through time - by notimportant1234 - December 20, 2017 at 4:19 am
RE: Trascending through time - by vulcanlogician - December 21, 2017 at 4:41 am
RE: Trascending through time - by Macoleco - December 20, 2017 at 2:57 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by The Grand Nudger - December 20, 2017 at 4:03 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by Haipule - December 20, 2017 at 5:35 pm
RE: Trascending through time - by notimportant1234 - December 21, 2017 at 4:52 am
RE: Trascending through time - by vulcanlogician - December 21, 2017 at 5:18 am
RE: Trascending through time - by notimportant1234 - December 21, 2017 at 5:22 am
RE: Trascending through time - by vulcanlogician - December 21, 2017 at 6:39 am
RE: Trascending through time - by vulcanlogician - December 21, 2017 at 9:06 am

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