RE: Oh no! Another alien probe
December 20, 2017 at 6:59 pm
(This post was last modified: December 20, 2017 at 7:48 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(December 20, 2017 at 3:52 pm)popeyespappy Wrote:(December 20, 2017 at 3:10 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Any questions?
No, but I think I should warn you that Venus of Tan-Tan may take umbrage at your estimate of when she was invented. You're off by at least a couple of orders of magnitude.
I specifically referred to God with a capital G, he was a particularly nauseatingly criminal and psychiatrically disturbed black sheep in the family of make belief beings that would certainly be disowned and cast out by his ancestor the Venus of Tan-Tan if either of them actually existed.
(December 20, 2017 at 6:50 pm)Haipule Wrote: I am not a "theistic evolutionist": that is stupid. I am not an atheistic evolutionist either. I am a scientific evolutionist but, I pay no mind to premises or conclusions. However, the observations are observations. Do I believe in evolution? Yes. Do I believe in Adam and Eve? Yes. Yet, the evolution many of you are talking about is pre man or, Adam, only. Not since. I'm sorry but, mitochondrial DNA only goes back to Eve. And, I know you have an answer for that. I'm not going to buy it.
That being said, I also do not invalidate any dating system.
However, the reoccurring complete destruction of the earth since the beginning of her, make me wonder about geologic timelines.
I mean, we can't date a fossil by the substrata and, we cannot date the substrata by a fossil. That is circular reasoning. Yet, the substrata has been viciously altered over and over again! The crust of the earth is a stirred soup!
So really, who knows how old anything really is if we conceder all the catastrophes?
So wrong in so short a post:
1. Mitochondria DNA does not go only back to eve. That is wrong by only about 3.6 billion years. The association between mitochondria DNA and eve is only in that all living human today carries the mitochondria DNA of one woman, named Eve in mocking tip of hat to the genesis story. Eve was certainly not the only woman or the first woman. Nor indeed could Eve even be the only woman of her generation of whom we are descendants. The linear antecedent of Eve’s Mitochondria DNA in fact goes so far back that it certainly goes much further back even than the very first mitochondria 2.7 billion years ago. You see, Mitochondria are descendants of free living prokaryotic cells with their own DNAs that likely had a lineage that stretched back all the way to the first life on earth around 3.6 billion years ago. 2.7 billion years ago some members of that lineage was ingested by the first eukaryotic cells, were not digested, but we’re able to entered into a symbiotic relationship with the eukaryotic cell host and became an organelle in the eukaryotic cell. Between 1 and 1.7 billion years later some eukaryotic cells began to clump together and specialize, until eventually multi-cellular organisms evolved. It took another 1 billion years or so for an multi-celluar organism to evolve that was so imaginative and self deceiving as to think there was a literal Adam and Eve and history of mitochondria dna does not go back further than eve.
2. Earth was never completely destroyed since she first formed 4.56 billion years ago. Recent evidence shows even the direct impact by another planet larger than Mars, which splattered so much of the earth’s mantle into the orbit that the debris coalesced into the moon, had disrupted the earth only to a surprising shallow depth, and the majority of the earth’s mantle must of remained cohesive and unmolten through earth’s entire existence. We can tell because earth’s mantle retained most of the inventory of volatiles that it had when earth first accreted.
3. No catastrophy ever to afflict the earth since the formation of the moon about 4.5 billion years ago is capable of resetting the radio of parent and daughter elements of all natural radioactive decay occurring in of the minerals of the surface of the earth. Anyone who studies atomic physics are the whos that know how old things really are if we consider all the catastrophes. Multiple independent lines of atomic decay dating muturally agree sufficiently well for us to have high confidence in their general accuracy. We have a good chronology of the evolution of the earth over the last 4.2-4.3 billion years. We can date most rocks that contain volcanically derived components. We can see whether fossils were laid down naturally between layers of datable rock strata. So yes, we are pretty confident in our dating of the earth and of fossils. Whatever comfidence we have in these ought to be infinitely greater than any a thinking person can conceivably have in any bullshit deriving mainly from the Bible.