RE: Language
December 20, 2017 at 7:54 pm
(This post was last modified: December 20, 2017 at 8:07 pm by Simon Moon.)
(December 20, 2017 at 7:37 pm)Haipule Wrote:(December 20, 2017 at 7:06 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Please support your premise ' it is impossible to think beyond your vocabulary' with evidence and reasoned argument. Because as it is, I do not accept your premise.Of course you proved everything right? You proved beyond a shadow of a draft beer, that I am "ignorant"! And who are you? The sum total of your own wine! And I thought I was cocky?
As far as I can tell, your syllogism, as it is currently stated, is both invalid and unsound.
It looks pretty much like a classic example of 'argument from ignorance fallacy'.
You asked me to evidence how man cannot think beyond his vocabulary? I give the world YOU as evidence! I know that I'm not very smart but, I just called you very stupid!
I did not claim that I proved everything. Not sure how you read that into anything I posted?
All I am saying is that you have not supported your first premise with demonstrable evidence. I have no reason to accept it as being true.
I am not saying it is necessarily false, only that you have not supported it as being true.
And even if you can support it with demonstrable and falsifiable evidence, it still would not lead to your conclusion.
I am not being cocky. You asked in your OP for our thoughts. I gave you my thoughts based on logic learned in any 1st year philosophy class. It is logic 101.
Your argument is nothing more than the argument from ignorance fallacy. "I can't imagine how humans could have developed language via natural processes, therefore, it must have been a god".
Well, if you are content putting your ignorance on a pedestal and calling it "God", have at it. I would rather say "I don't know" when presented with a question that is currently unknown, like the origin of language.
The real problem with your contention, that only a god could be responsible for human language, is that there is actually some pretty good, evidence based natural explanations, for the origin of human language. No magic required.
Quote:You asked me to evidence how man cannot think beyond his vocabulary? I give the world YOU as evidence! I know that I'm not very smart but, I just called you very stupid!
Maybe you are correct. That I am unable to think beyond my vocabulary. But how does that prove that no one else has the ability to think beyond their vocabulary? I can't run a 9.57 100 meter, but that does not mean that others are also unable to.
That's known as the "black swan" fallacy, by the way.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.