RE: My House Did not have a Builder (or did it?)
December 31, 2017 at 1:45 pm
(This post was last modified: December 31, 2017 at 2:00 pm by Pat Mustard.)
(December 27, 2017 at 8:34 pm)Dan Brooks Wrote: (If a house shows up in a neighborhood, and no one saw it being built, did it have a builder?)
"From nothing nothing comes" is scientific. (I think it still is, isn't it? Under debate, maybe).
"The universe is something." I think that would be classified as a true statement.
"Therefore the universe came from something." I think that would be a nice logical conclusion.
Now, since it is universally observed (which observation is required in order for anything to be classified as scientific), that anything made has a maker, some consideration should be taken as to the nature of the maker of a given thing.
The maker of a wooden chair just needs to know enough about woodworking in order to have planned and accomplished the fashioning and construction of the chair. It is a functional item, with a useful purpose, so it would require intelligence to accomplish the production of a wooden chair, albeit not necessarily a great intelligence, because the item is not very complex.
A Rolex watch also requires a maker, and one who needs enough intelligence to make all the small intricate parts of the watch, and to make them all work together correctly and properly, and over a long period of time. The maker would have to know how to tell time, and how to cause the made item to also be able to tell time. This item is also quite functional, and also has a useful purpose, but since it is much more complex than a wooden chair, it requires more intelligence, and more labor as well, to accomplish the production of it.
Now the same could be said of a house, a hotel, a hospital, a skyscraper, or an entire city. Each requiring more intelligence, more organization, and more manpower to accomplish it's respective product.
So using this same reasoning, (and I think it is logical reasoning. Correct me if I am wrong), we must assume that the level of intelligence, organization, and power required to accomplish such a thing as an entire universe, and not just any universe, with all of it's nearly innumerable complexities, but a universe in which there is life, and not just life, but an astoundingly wide variety of forms of life, each with their various levels of intelligence, purpose, and function- I say we must assume that the level of intelligence, organization, and power required to accomplish this is utterly incalculable.
I think that conclusion is quite logical, and about as scientific as we can be, since, though we did not witness the creation of the universe, all other things that we know to be made are also known to have a maker, and the making of such made things can be observed. It would I think, therefore be quite an illogical conclusion that the universe itself could not have a maker.
(If a universe comes into existence, and no one saw it being made, did it have a maker?)
So you're going for the design fallacy. Try and find out what happened to Paley's watch some day.
Oh, and this is obviously a cut and paste job, from all the tags wrapped around each paragraph. If you're going to hit us with nonsense, please let it be your own nonsense in future.
(December 28, 2017 at 12:47 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Hello, OP.
The universe is very similar in its building blocks; for example you always have standards that make up what we know.
For instance; it's a standards that life as we know it require water. It's also a standard that Chemical reactions take place everywhere we know. The Physical realm we are a part of, is the same physical realm for others.
The design is unified; or in other words: was made by the same entity.
Even when we exclude this theory; we remain with the atoms that caused the big bang: where did they come from? It becomes an unbreakable loop until we break free from it with the assumption, that an infinite, stronger force we know nothing about -God-, existed and made the big bang happen.
The difference between theism and atheism; to me; is this exact spot: some believe the creator is intelligent; others believe the creator was thoughtless particles that exploded.
What creator? The whole thing makes itself.
(December 29, 2017 at 12:37 pm)Joods Wrote: Yes. I am a god. Now kneel down before me, suckers!
Can I be excused on account of my bad knee? I've got a letter from my doctor.
PS I'm sorry I came in here, OP is obviously either a troll or from BJU and on assignment to convert some heathens with his knockdown second century knowledge.
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