RE: My House Did not have a Builder (or did it?)
January 2, 2018 at 1:43 pm
(This post was last modified: January 2, 2018 at 2:01 pm by Dan Brooks.)
(January 1, 2018 at 11:36 pm)Whateverist Wrote:That sounds pretty ridiculous to me.(January 1, 2018 at 11:20 pm)bennyboy Wrote: If it's not feelings, then what is spiritual speaking? Is it linguistic? Is it a hunch that you shouldn't get on a plane, and then it crashes? Please elaborate.
Yes linguistic. Actual words. Of course there are other things, like you said about the hunch and stuff, but what I meant was actual speaking. Not audibly as in a hallucinatory thing, but inside. It sounds like if you read something silently, or think to yourself. You actually think the words inside yourself. Only it isn't my own thoughts. It may be something I already knew that He reminds me of, or it may be something I've never heard of before, and I know I didn't think of it myself. And I know it's not me, because the things He says are most definitely not what I'm thinking about at the moment. But I know it's God and not someone else, because He always agrees and confirms what the Bible says. It's pretty hard to explain to someone if the person hasn't had it happen to them.
When I was posting at Reasonable Faith, someone actually went on about how he'd been riding his bike down hill, closed his eyes and took his hands off the bars. To his mind, he'd been given all the signs he needed when he didn't crash. Yup, okay then.
(January 1, 2018 at 10:29 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:(January 1, 2018 at 10:03 pm)Dan Brooks Wrote: I know I'm not allowed to say that I know the Bible is the revealed word of God because it says so...
You are allowed to say it, but what does it saying so really matter? What other document is given credibility by claiming the merits of the document inside the document itself? Does a science textbook become more factual if it contains the phrase "everything in this textbook is a fact"? Or is its credibility determined otherwise...
I know you deliberately distanced yourself from that statement because it wasn't a debate you wanted to get into, but it is a weak point; that's probably why people pounce on it.
Well if it says it is and it isn't, then it is lying. If it's lying then none of it should be believed. But since it's hard to know whether or not that particular claim is a lie, the only thing we can really do is look at the rest of it and see if anything in there is absolutely known to be a lie. If there is an indisputably known lie in it, then we know it can't be the revealed word of God, because it says that God cannot lie. And no it's really not a debate I wanted to get into. I was just trying to answer the question.
But as far as science books, they basically do say that everything in them is a fact. I've seen in some of my own text books in school where it said that evolution is a fact. And in another place it would say it's a theory. And then in the back the definition it gave for theory was, the best explanation for something (paraphrase, but basically what it said.)
That doesn't mean that every science book necessarily does that, but I have seen ones that do. I would hope its credibility would be determined otherwise. But how could a layperson verify its claims as to whether they are true or not? What layperson is going on paleontological excavations or testing things in a lab? The layperson has to choose whether to believe it or not believe it. There really isn't a way to prove it true or false unless you're doing the experiments and studies yourself.