My House Did not have a Builder (or did it?)

[Simon Moon]

But I could be convinced that a god or god exist.

All it would require to convince me is testable, repeatable, falsifiable EVIDENCE, and valid and sound logic to support the claim.

My current disbelief is based 100% on those criteria not being met by any theist. I am opened to be convinced, but your OP has so many fallacious arguments, that it is laughable.

The 'watch maker' argument?! Seriously?

Well my OP was simply to point out that if something is, then it is not illogical to believe that something caused the thing that is, to be. And if you think it is illogical, can you tell me how?

Sure. I'll point out some fallacies in your post for you.

"Therefore the universe came from something." I think that would be a nice logical conclusion.

All the examples of something coming from something we can point to, are necessarily spacial and temporal. They all occur withing the universe. You are trying to extrapolate to cause and effect events within the universe to the universe itself. This is known as the fallacy of composition.

Just because part of something has a certain attribute, does not mean the whole has the same attributes.

Now, since it is universally observed (which observation is required in order for anything to be classified as scientific), that anything made has a maker, some consideration should be taken as to the nature of the maker of a given thing.

How do you know the universe was made? This is something that has to be proven, not asserted.

The maker of a wooden chair just needs to know enough about woodworking in order to have planned and accomplished the fashioning and construction of the chair. It is a functional item, with a useful purpose, so it would require intelligence to accomplish the production of a wooden chair, albeit not necessarily a great intelligence, because the item is not very complex.
A Rolex watch also requires a maker, and one who needs enough intelligence to make all the small intricate parts of the watch, and to make them all work together correctly and properly, and over a long period of time. The maker would have to know how to tell time, and how to cause the made item to also be able to tell time. This item is also quite functional, and also has a useful purpose, but since it is much more complex than a wooden chair, it requires more intelligence, and more labor as well, to accomplish the production of it.
Now the same could be said of a house, a hotel, a hospital, a skyscraper, or an entire city. Each requiring more intelligence, more organization, and more manpower to accomplish it's respective product.
So using this same reasoning, (and I think it is logical reasoning. Correct me if I am wrong), we must assume that the level of intelligence, organization, and power required to accomplish such a thing as an entire universe, and not just any universe, with all of it's nearly innumerable complexities, but a universe in which there is life, and not just life, but an astoundingly wide variety of forms of life, each with their various levels of intelligence, purpose, and function- I say we must assume that the level of intelligence, organization, and power required to accomplish this is utterly incalculable.

First of all, we know when something has been designed, not by function or complexity, but by contrasting it with natural occurring things.

We know that watches are designed by intelligences, because every example we have of them, they have been designed by humans. We have zero evidence that they universe has a designer, we have loads of evidence that watches do.

My OP wasn't supposed to be "proof" of God. It was simply an if then statement. If something is, then it is logical to assume that something else caused it, especially if we know that it wasn't there before. So if the universe were eternal, then there would be no reason to believe it had a cause. But if it had a beginning, which I think most people believe now, then it is not illogical to believe that it had a cause. And it is also not illogical to believe that that cause is an intelligent powerful Creator. That isn't the only possible conclusion, but it isn't an illogical conclusion to make. 

If the claim cannot be supported by valid and sound logic (I just pointed out several fallacies, there are more) and demonstrable evidence, then it is, by definition, illogical to conclude it was caused by a god.

I am not sure you actually understand what logic is.

The universe, in its current local presentation, had a beginning. The singularity is expanded from could have always existed, in some other form.

IF God is the cause of the universe, and is therefore real, and that intelligent and powerful, would He not be able to see and hear you? Have you ever asked Him to reveal Himself to you? God is not like the gods of the myths with physical bodies etc. God is a spirit and is therefore invisible. So He isn't going to appear to your natural senses. He isn't going to knock on your door and say, "Hi, I'm God." God is spiritually seen and heard. 

I have no idea if a god could see or hear me, if one (or more) existed. Since the universe seems behave exactly how one would expect a completely natural occurring universe would behave, I have no reason to speculate on how a god would act.

Yes, when I was a theist, I sincerely asked god to reveal himself to me many times.

What do you mean 'spiritually heard'?

Here is an example from the Bible of someone who asked for testable, repeatable, falsifiable evidence, and what God did. 
He started out with a lot of doubt about God, as it says here.
Judges 6:13
And Gideon said unto him, Oh my Lord, if the Lord be with us, why then is all this befallen us? and where be all his miracles which our fathers told us of, saying, Did not the Lord bring us up from Egypt? but now the Lord hath forsaken us, and delivered us into the hands of the Midianites.

So even though he had heard of the miracles of God from the past, he had a hard time believing because he wasn't seeing those miracles himself.
Then he actually sees the angel of the LORD.
Judges 6:22
And when Gideon perceived that he was an angel of the Lord, Gideon said, Alas, O Lord God! for because I have seen an angel of the Lord face to face.

But he still needed more evidence, and more assurance. So he put God to the test. 
Judges 6:36 And Gideon said unto God, If thou wilt save Israel by mine hand, as thou hast said, 37 behold, I will put a fleece of wool in the floor; and if the dew be on the fleece only, and it be dry upon all the earth beside, then shall I know that thou wilt save Israel by mine hand, as thou hast said. 38 And it was so: for he rose up early on the morrow, and thrust the fleece together, and wringed the dew out of the fleece, a bowl full of water. 39 And Gideon said unto God, Let not thine anger be hot against me, and I will speak but this once: let me prove, I pray thee, but this once with the fleece; let it now be dry only upon the fleece, and upon all the ground let there be dew. 40 And God did so that night: for it was dry upon the fleece only, and there was dew on all the ground.

So he tested God, with two specific requests, which could not have occurred naturally. And God passed the test.

Also, there was a king of Israel, Hezekiah, who did the same thing, tested God (although in a different way.)
He had gotten sick and was told that he was going to die. But he cried and prayed and asked to be healed. So God said He would heal him. But he wanted a sign that he would truly be fully healed. So this is what happened.

2 Kings 20:8 And Hezekiah said unto Isaiah, What shall be the sign that the Lord will heal me, and that I shall go up into the house of the Lord the third day? 9 And Isaiah said, This sign shalt thou have of the Lord, that the Lord will do the thing that he hath spoken: shall the shadow go forward ten degrees, or go back ten degrees? 10 And Hezekiah answered, It is a light thing for the shadow to go down ten degrees: nay, but let the shadow return backward ten degrees. 11 And Isaiah the prophet cried unto the Lord: and he brought the shadow ten degrees backward, by which it had gone down in the dial of Ahaz.

Oh, how convincing, Bible stories.

You do understand that none of that is demonstrable evidence, right?

Not to mention, the Hebrews were NEVER held as slaves in Egypt.

There was much evidence of God in biblical times, even including people rising from the dead. But many people have a hard time believing those miracles happened, because they don't see them today. (Just like Gideon had a hard time believing, because he didn't see the miracles happening in his time that he had heard of from the past).
But there is one specific miracle that still happens every day. And I don't mean healings and stuff. Yes, God can and does do that but that's not what I mean. (And I don't mean He heals in the Benny Hinn type way. That guy is a liar and a thief, among other things. I hate the crap they have on tv that they call Christian. It's absolutely disgusting.)
But the miracle I'm talking about is when someone goes from being at enmity with God to being His child. This doesn't happen on our own. It really is a miracle. 

I would have a bit better chance of being convinced, if the types of miracles that are talked about in the Bible still occurred. Curious that as evidence gathering techniques improved, miracles went from seas parting, pillars of fire, fire hail, to 'someone going from being at enmity with God to being His child'. All that miracle seems to be, is someone becoming gullible.

The Bible tells us bla, bla, bla..

The Bible is not EVIDENCE, it is the claim. Quoting the Bible means nothing to me, until you can support any of the supernatural and god claims being true.

Not sure if you clued into this or not, but you are in an atheist forum. We have no reason to accept the Bible as being authoritative.