Resoning for belief in God

[Edwardo Piet]

But my reasons are valid. My reasons are based on the fact there is no evidence of God.

But the point is your reasoning leads you to believe what those surrounding you believed. Subject closed.

I could end up believing differently to them though...there is a such thing as a minority you know...you get atheists that come out of Christian families, atheists that lose their faith in Christian familes...

And you get Christian families and one (or more) of the children end up growing up atheist, etc, etc.

What is your point? The point is I don't believe in God because there is no evidence. And whether I was effected by my surroundings earlier because children are or not is irrelevant...I mean...unless you have another point? What is your point? (Unless you are just stating the obvious I.e: 'people tend to end up believing in things similar to what those around them believed' - the thing is this isn't fixed you know, and it's still just that, what 'tends to' happen).

Because what others believe, that in and of itself, does not effect me now. I need evidence - whether people around me are believers or skeptics, I still need evidence.

I have good reasoning for my beliefs too. You won't accept that this is possible, whereas I accept your position fully.

Well I accept your RIGHT to your opinion. But I wholeheartedly disagree with it and I am just trying to discuss about it.

And I'm not talking the 'E' word here, because that is a bollocks red herring. Something you're chasing that isn't there.

Well...two things then:


1. IF you believe God actually EXISTS without any valid reasons to believe he does...then you are believing in something's existence without any valid reasons! That's damn irrational!
If you have no valid reasons to believe in his actual existence but...you just 'believe anyway', you can call it faith, you can call it whatever, but that's bloody irrational!! I mean if you admit (and believe) that there are no valid reasons to believe in God's actual existence but you believe he does anyway...that's damn irrational!!.

2. IF you DO have valid reasons to believe that God actually EXISTS then that DOES count as evidence at least of SOME form (i.e: Non-empirical). So where is it?

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