RE: Verse 42:23 and how to interpret it, disciplines of interpreting Quran.
January 13, 2018 at 1:09 pm
(January 13, 2018 at 12:25 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I already showed other wage verses, and how they relate to 42:23.
Aside from looking at the context of those verses, is the issue of chosen family in Quran. Among the verses is 3:33.
The concept of chosen family is emphasized through out Quran. Aside from that is the issue of love.
The Quran doesn't say people don't worship God or love his nearness. It's just that they worship Satan and their dark illusionary selves and others a long with God and equate in value others with God. Aside from that, is how monotheistic communities worship their leaders while deceiving themselves they are devoted to God in worship alone.
The Quran talks about how Adam was a means to knowledge for the Angels, knowledge of the names. The chosen ones were similarly a way to recognize God, and the discussion revolving around the name of God shows God appoints a means to him.
The Quran in 25:57 is saying the wage is for who wants to, to take a path to their Lord. The wage therefore is not the love of closeness (to God) as some people assert as the one being asked is the one who already wants to take a path to God, and he asks the wage therefore for those who already love nearness to God and believe in the message, and disbelievers are only required to pay the wage once they accept the Messenger out of gratitude and recognition of the great gift the near kin are.
The word Al-Qurba given how much Quran has emphasized on the concept of chosen family and chosen offspring, is surely about that. And it surely saying that the family of the reminder, those designated as God's beautiful names and are all instances of his great name, God is designating them as the means of being grateful for the message and showing appreciating the message, and that attaching them is so who wants to take a path to himself.
Another verse is "whatever wage I have asked it is for yourselves", there is no need of clarifying that the wage is for ourselves if it meant love of our own kin or closeness to God, but as it's the near kin of Mohammad, some people might think he is favoring his kin over others.
But it's saying in fact it's a reminder and for who wants to, to take a path to their Lord, that it is in fact for our own selves, and for our benefit.
We will see the context of the 42:23 within the Surah later as well as the other wage verses. But before that, I will go into a discussion regarding Jesus and the word of truth that people differ and dispute regarding.
In the word of light that God has brought to life lies the gnosis of Quran and what goodness and morality is.
Among the things 42:23 is saying in the line "whoever does good we will increase them therein" is that love of the means to God and connection to God and the name of God and the channels of light of God by which God connects the believers to himself, is the heart and essence of what goodness is.
And if we think about love, it's away misdirected and people instead of recognizing God for who he is, make him according to their dark idol and desires. This is saying love those who manifest God, those who are instances of his name and holy spirit, all intending by that love to appreciate the message and take a path to God.
(January 12, 2018 at 6:00 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Why does a "holy" book need interpretation?
Why does it always seem that they're deluberatelt vague?
Why can't an all knowing god be clear in it's messages?
1. Because it has infinite knowledge while our interpretation will be limited, thus there is an explanation within it of it's explanation and explanation of that explanation and an explanation of that explanation and so on and so forth. The ones who have clean purified hearts that we know have so, are those who God manifests their purity and attributes purity to, and is not who we claim are enlightened. Rather it is up to God to chose the means to him.
2. Because of the darkness of our hearts and stupidity, the clearest signs and teachings appear unclear, that and the dark sorcery that we don't guard against makes most of the book vague.
3. God is the best speaker but it turns out humans are one of the worse listeners to wisdom, they were a created from sperm and small egg and than become an open enemy to God and his chosen ones, as if they know everything in so little time.
My logic has a first name, it's O-S-C-A-R,
My logic has a second name it's M-A-Y-E-R
And if you ask me why I'll say
Cause Oscar Mayer has a way with
B-O-L-O-G-N-A
MK, so what? You are STILL stuck in the same boat as any Jew or Christian or Hindu or Buddhist.
Our species was around before any written religion. Our planet is 4 billion years old, our Milky Way galaxy is only 1 of an estimated 2 trillion galaxies in a 13.8 billion year old universe. I am NOT singling you out when I say, ALL RELIGIONS ARE HUMAN'S INVENTIONS.
Our universe DOES NOT need a God by any name, and our universe was NOT put here for our species.
