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Verse 42:23 and how to interpret it, disciplines of interpreting Quran.
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RE: Verse 42:23 and how to interpret it, disciplines of interpreting Quran.
(January 13, 2018 at 4:10 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(January 13, 2018 at 3:45 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Hey Atlass33, I DO blaspheme him and you and Catholic Lady and I will go after Buddhists and Hindus, AND EVEN other atheists on different subjects if I think they got it wrong.

MK makes me want to pull my hair out, but that is just saying his logic irritates me. But again, most humans get sold the religions of their parents BEFORE they can formulate adult critical thinking skills, so it is not just him, and not just Islam.

But you are right, I am not taking his arguments seriously. But I also don't take claims of magic babies with super powers with no second set of DNA seriously either.

I DO however get concerned when Christians or Muslims or Jews use politics to justify murdering each other based on religion. 

Atlass33 every religion WORLDWIDE has been used as a weapon to justify harm to others. It isn't that you can force any out of existence you cant, but Islam didn't invent human cruelty either. I have seen Christians and Jews also use religion to do horrible things to their fellow human beings.

Ah, at least there is a chance of debate.
Once a religion crosses that line, and turns to "forced compulsive converting" of others; the religion is not a religion anymore; it's a "a death sentence".

We can argue about God a lot, but none of us has the right to compulsively convert the other part.
The twelver Shiite cult is built on hating the Sunni component, for that they are a very very very big problem.

As long as there are Sunnies and Shiites, there will always be compulsion, terrorist, ISIS-like groups...etc.

Right now; Saudi Arabia and Iran are boiling with rumors of war. Sunni and Shiite propaganda is just filling the air.
The sectarian war began in Syria.
The sectarian war began in Yemen.

All because some assholes fooled some dicks with similar posts.

Atlass33, I am extremely thankful that guys like you challenge and question that part of the world, and you are right, by comparison, Islam in that part of the world is still living in it's own dark ages. It has yet to have it's own Jefferson and Paine. I think with your voice and growing voices, eventually that part of the world can get there.

All I am saying in all that, and I say this to our atheist here and our liberal theists here as well, sure, question and especially condemn religiously justified violence or forced conversion. I TOTALLY AGREE.

BUT, it still remains Islam did not invent human cruelty. Our species behaviors are in us, not in our labels, not in our holy writings, not in our clubs we call religions. Our species ability to be cruel or compassionate is in US, in our genes, in our evolution.

If anything you say or do gets another fellow human to consider backing off the idea of using religiously justified violence, I AM ALL FOR IT.
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RE: Verse 42:23 and how to interpret it, disciplines of interpreting Quran. - by Brian37 - January 13, 2018 at 4:21 pm

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