Verse 42:23 and how to interpret it, disciplines of interpreting Quran.

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I been calling people to read Quran Atlas, you misunderstand. It says in Quran it doesn't increase the unjust but in perdition. Do you not know that verse?

I am not saying not to read it. But if people come to it to limit what they perceive of it and inforce their ignorant interpretation which is not proven by clear proofs and signs and light in their hearts or if they conclude that what they did not perceive in it must not be there by their hasty non-reflecting way of reciting, than they didn't act according to it's paradigm.

I know the verse now, after you posted the link.
And who has the right interpretation? God is playing soccer if he sends down a coded book, that can only be decoded by certain people.
A God like that deserves to be fought.
People have minds. Who are you to judge everybody as being ignorant; and need a "imam" to take them like a sheep?

And if they don't know and don't ask the family of the guidance and reminder of the time for knowledge and wisdom, they don't act according to it's paradigm.

But what is your evidence that the so called family is "the family of the guidance"?
Not for atheists; but for me; as a Muslim. I always read the Quran; give me a verse or two; just like I asked you here:

AtlasS33 said:

  Answer any of these.
  And no gymnastics or textual walls ! no implicit answers!
  Just give me one verse, across the 600 pages of the Quran that mentions any of the 5 questions' answers.



  AtlasS33 said:

  I'll give you many options; all prove your religion if you answer them:
  1- A verse mentioning "Ali" by the name.
  2-A verse mentioning "Hasaen" by the name.
  3-A verse mentioning "Hussain" by the name.
  4-A verse mentioning the 12 divine imams that we must follow
  5-A verse mentioning the last imam that you and your cult believe will rule the universe or whatever -Imam Mahdy-

And if they claim authority or follow authority not given by God, they are blind to it's most emphasized central thesis and still think they understood the book, that is the worse disease.

Yes; so you are claiming that we have Moses the prophet, Jesus the prophet, Mohammed the prophet, then Ali the prophet?

The family of Mohammad are with Quran and Quran is with them, you can't prove you truly believe in Quran even with all your praise of it neither can I. We have to act according to people's words, so I have to acknowledge you as Muslim and you as me Muslim, but at the end, no one can prove they aren't deceivers, let alone believers, let alone that they ought to be followed with respect to the interpretation.

Talk is cheap.
You are a Muslim if you follow what the God of Islam said. But you don't. You follow scholars instead, who said that God favored them and favored their ways.

"Said".
Talk is cheap; let them say.

Otherwise, you are a Shiite Muslim. not a "Muslim".

We are to teach people what we know, but with all that, we must be humble to one another, and learn from another, and not deny when things become clear out of envy like the son of Adam when he killed the other son of Adam, nor because we are treated as trangressors by a creed do we turn away from it's clear arguments.

No. You don't share the same religion with me, and if I said so I'm a liar.
You're lying and you know it when you say that about me; so give the readers the truth already.

I'm against what you advocate.

The Quran says "O people of the book do you just hate us because we believe in what has been revealed...and (believe that) most of you are transgressors".

Exactly. Just like your cult's hatred of Sunnies, and Sunni hate of Shiites.

Yes I believe the worst people are those who recite Quran and it doesn't go past their throats, so they don't see the family of Mohammad in Quran. It hurts me a lot, but I believe that. It pains me, but I believe that.

No. These are people who can't detect "invisible" words.

If you don't see the family of the reminder in Quran, how can you see their names? Their names are of it's themes, but it takes time.

I don't how allergic you are to the love demanded by 42:23, but the family of Mohammad/Ali/Fatima are the means and way to God now, just as it was once upon time the family of Abraham/Jacob and just as once upon time the family of Moses/Aaron/David/Imran.

No. I don't see what is not there.

Again:
https://atheistforums.org/thread-51114-p...swer+these

AtlasS33 said:

  Answer any of these.
  And no gymnastics or textual walls ! no implicit answers!
  Just give me one verse, across the 600 pages of the Quran that mentions any of the 5 questions' answers.


 
  AtlasS33 said:

  I'll give you many options; all prove your religion if you answer them:
  1- A verse mentioning "Ali" by the name.
  2-A verse mentioning "Hasaen" by the name.
  3-A verse mentioning "Hussain" by the name.
  4-A verse mentioning the 12 divine imams that we must follow
  5-A verse mentioning the last imam that you and your cult believe will rule the universe or whatever -Imam Mahdy-