RE: Verse 42:23 and how to interpret it, disciplines of interpreting Quran.
January 20, 2018 at 4:31 pm
(This post was last modified: January 20, 2018 at 4:38 pm by Mystic.)
(January 15, 2018 at 5:25 am)pocaracas Wrote: Note that no actual "divine appointment" is required to get people to follow; no "divine appointment" is required to write nicely sounding behavioral rules for a society; no "divine appointment" is required for people to perpetuate the belief that the person(s) is(are) "divinely appointed".
A divine appointment and a lack of such divine appointment are formally equivalent to their followers. All they need is to believe that there was a divine appointment.
What you say is essentially true. And I understand that a lot of people claiming to be Prophets or Avatars or Shamans were liars and didn't have proof.
The essential thing is the truth has proofs and firm evidence.
And while false religions would want you to follow their leaders without proof and clear insight, the true religion should condemn believing or following without knowledge and challenge all people to bring their proofs if they are truthful.
A person trying to get others to follow a path without proofs and happens to follow the true religion is making people think the religion has no firm proofs.
And what does God have to with his guides (starship), that is big theme in Quran. Again you act like it didn't discuss this.
It did. And indeed there are many false Prophets and many false leaders, but this doesn't negate that God can prove his guidance and manifest it in various degrees.
Usually the manifestation of guidance is not the issue, but, people apathy to know the truth and turn away from proofs by their sheer desires, is the problem.
And what God intends with the chosen ones and why he brings them in form of chosen families is the heart of the discussion of the Quran. And how he proves them and how their path is distinct, and how they themselves essentially are the proofs, is a good discussion.
Why don't you show me you understand at least somewhat of the gist of the Quran pertaining to these questions so we can have an actually discussion on knowledge as opposed to all this ignorance.
(January 14, 2018 at 10:30 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:(January 14, 2018 at 3:32 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: MysticKnight: Is not the following by LFC not an accurate summary of your argument?
He doesn’t seem to care that his argument is fallacious, does he? He just...feels the truth, and expects that to be enough for the rest of humanity.
LadyForCamus, the truth is you do have to give up ALOT to follow the truth, but it's worth it. I guarantee if you follow it will manifest it's wonders and majestic path.
And like Little Rik always tells you, conscious is alive and that is something you can never escape as you constantly witness that.
The brain cannot create life, it's a way of God connecting the physical world to the spiritual realm, that is all the brain is, it's an interaction encapsulation in this world.
And love believes in value and no it's not false dichotomy that it either proves everything or nothing. Love itself applies to proofs and not even that, but the way they are presented.
Love judges and assesses and values according to truth, and it acts generously past justice (giving everything it's due) and compassionately.
It is what believes in value of human beings, of yourself, and of the greatest to be valued, God.
Guided love is goodness and unguided love is evil, that is all it comes down to, and no one is more unjust than they who follow their desires without guidance from the absolute who gives everything it's identity and form and creation, and guides them through his light.
