RE: Verse 42:23 and how to interpret it, disciplines of interpreting Quran.
January 21, 2018 at 5:08 pm
(January 20, 2018 at 6:31 pm)pocaracas Wrote:(January 20, 2018 at 5:54 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: If you want to really believe that, but I won't confirm it. Rather I testify God proved himself through his proofs and rehearsed his signs unto humans through an instance of his proof.
From my point of view, you are testifying the things that were passed on to you by other people... people you know, people you trust, people... and they got it from other people, who got it from yet other people... and, ultimately, from the people who wrote the book you follow.
People, not any god, are at the heart of this whole ordeal.
Granted, Islam directly states that it was a person that got the revelation and whatnot.... but still.... it was a person!
I cannot trust that person.
I seriously doubt that any god worthy of the name (I know you like god's names) would entrust such an important thing as it's real existence in the hands of one person.
I seriously doubt it would be down to a matter of believing (mimicking all the other preexisting religions)...
I seriously doubt that, if god wanted me to acknowledge its existence, I (and many others) would be left in the dark.
I seriously doubt that, if god wanted me to acknowledge its existence, it would come on a vessel of human origin - book or person.
If god wanted everyone on Earth to acknowledge its existence, god would have made it plain, as plain as gravity. Instead, we have this hodgepodge of competing religions, all based on the exact same premise - belief.
I've been following some of your threads and your proofs have been always lacking. I've told you this on a few of those threads, but it seems you're on a track of your own, like if you have a script, or at least some guidelines and you can't deviate.
Why? Why do you do this?
Insight gives insight no matter who passes it on. But will you seek insight from everyone on earth or will you look for a chosen path from God and doors to God that are appointed by him.
No one is saying to accept something because a people say it is from God or a people attributed to a person they believe an appointed person is from God.
And those who believe on those grounds are condemned.
Now you may say well if it's about insight and learning, why can't we just learn from one another and reflect ourselves?
We are suppose to learn from another but what if some guy just makes us crap like you all believe I do?
This is where a scripture from God and explanation by a Messenger is key. And to understand both the explanation and scripture, you need an explanation of the explanation.
But how do we know some idiot didn't make up a lie and attribute it to a Messenger or an appointed guide, we don't know unless we have vision that it is truth. And the latter we don't even know if the idiot didn't make it up but it's true and gives insight, that it something Messenger and Guide did teach even if they paraphrased it a different way.
But we aren't go to go far if we settle for every person for enlightenment. Nor are we going to agree if everyone can provide an interpretation without reference to the explanation of the Messenger or his appointed Successors.
And we can't just accept any saying from Messenger or appointed successors if we don't see the insight of it, and to prove the insight of it, we have to refer to a scripture from God.
This is the way forward for humanity to unite and is the best in ending and result. We await these days like drought stricken await rain.