(January 23, 2018 at 3:28 pm)alpha male Wrote:(January 23, 2018 at 3:22 pm)Tiberius Wrote: There have been 4 federal indictments so far.
What exactly do you count as "serious"?
Indictments worth remembering. Like on Trump or his family, and for actual collusion with Russia. If they were serious and on point, you probably would have given details, instead of just giving a number.
So if you can't remember them, they aren't serious enough? Wow. Even if that's how you judge seriousness, I highly doubt you don't remember at least two of them, namely the indictments for Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manafort, and his former national security advisor Michael Flynn. The others were Rick Gates (a business partner of Manafort), and George Papadopoulos (a foreign policy advisor for Trump).
In case you still need a memory jog, here are what the indictments are about:
Michael Flynn - for lying to the FBI about conversations with Russia's ambassador. Note - he's already pleaded guilty.
Paul Manafort - there was 12 counts, including conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, unregistered agent of a foreign principal, false and misleading US Foreign Agents Registration Act statements, false statements, and seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts. Note - the foreign principal is Ukraine, where he performed lobbying for pro-Russian interests.
Rick Gates - same as the above
George Papadopoulos - for making a false statement to the FBI after he lied about his interactions with foreign nationals, including two Russians, with ties to the Russian government.
I dunno about you, but I think lying to the FBI and "conspiracy against the United States" are both pretty fucking serious.