Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: June 11, 2024, 11:03 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Why, God? Why?!
#54
RE: Why, God? Why?!
(February 8, 2018 at 4:59 pm)SteveII Wrote: First, I think God changes. Jesus' life would be an experience God did not have prior--a change. A relationship with Christians is a change. 

That is if we think of Jesus Christ as a baby, becoming a youth, then a fully grown man as seen from within our temporal framework. And yet in its entirety the Life of Christ is, from an eternalist perspective, the full and complete expression of the Divine Will.

But the whole problem is embedded in the seemingly binary choice between eternalism and presentism, neither of which seems entirely right and yet it also seems like those are the only two choices.

(February 8, 2018 at 5:12 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I thought I’d raise my questions and hear some answers.
Personally, I don't think there are any good answers.

That said, my opinion is that pondering the question makes me as a Christian appreciate the concept of Grace as something God never needed to give us and yet for some inexplicable reason has.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 7, 2018 at 10:17 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by brewer - February 7, 2018 at 10:43 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by SteelCurtain - February 7, 2018 at 10:47 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Grandizer - February 7, 2018 at 10:53 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Rev. Rye - February 7, 2018 at 11:06 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Jackalope - February 7, 2018 at 11:41 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - February 8, 2018 at 12:05 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 8, 2018 at 12:09 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - February 8, 2018 at 12:16 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by ignoramus - February 8, 2018 at 12:36 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 8, 2018 at 12:41 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Cod - February 8, 2018 at 5:41 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by John V - February 8, 2018 at 8:14 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Grandizer - February 8, 2018 at 9:13 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 8, 2018 at 9:14 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by John V - February 8, 2018 at 9:22 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 8, 2018 at 9:28 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Grandizer - February 8, 2018 at 9:31 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by John V - February 8, 2018 at 9:41 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 8, 2018 at 10:00 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by John V - February 8, 2018 at 10:05 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 8, 2018 at 10:18 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by John V - February 8, 2018 at 12:09 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 8, 2018 at 2:37 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by John V - February 8, 2018 at 2:50 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Crossless2.0 - February 8, 2018 at 2:58 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 8, 2018 at 3:03 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by John V - February 8, 2018 at 3:34 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by SteveII - February 8, 2018 at 4:52 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Huggy Bear - February 8, 2018 at 6:11 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by SteveII - February 8, 2018 at 12:25 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 8, 2018 at 3:13 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Neo-Scholastic - February 8, 2018 at 4:44 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by John V - February 8, 2018 at 4:47 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Neo-Scholastic - February 8, 2018 at 5:02 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by John V - February 8, 2018 at 5:23 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 8, 2018 at 6:08 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by SteveII - February 8, 2018 at 4:59 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Neo-Scholastic - February 8, 2018 at 5:18 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by SteveII - February 8, 2018 at 5:39 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Whateverist - February 8, 2018 at 8:52 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Whateverist - February 8, 2018 at 3:28 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Huggy Bear - February 8, 2018 at 12:20 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Succubus - February 8, 2018 at 8:56 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Neo-Scholastic - February 8, 2018 at 9:48 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by GUBU - February 8, 2018 at 9:57 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Whateverist - February 8, 2018 at 3:33 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by SteveII - February 8, 2018 at 12:20 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Catholic_Lady - February 8, 2018 at 9:24 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Cod - February 8, 2018 at 12:27 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - February 8, 2018 at 12:48 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by zebo-the-fat - February 8, 2018 at 3:10 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 8, 2018 at 3:30 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by John V - February 8, 2018 at 4:37 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 8, 2018 at 5:12 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - February 8, 2018 at 3:47 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Minimalist - February 8, 2018 at 3:56 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Anomalocaris - February 8, 2018 at 4:58 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - February 8, 2018 at 4:08 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 8, 2018 at 4:52 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - February 8, 2018 at 6:27 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 8, 2018 at 6:34 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Huggy Bear - February 8, 2018 at 7:02 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 8, 2018 at 10:19 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Huggy Bear - February 8, 2018 at 10:46 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Grandizer - February 9, 2018 at 12:03 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Huggy Bear - February 9, 2018 at 12:50 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Grandizer - February 9, 2018 at 12:52 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Huggy Bear - February 9, 2018 at 1:10 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Grandizer - February 9, 2018 at 3:12 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Angrboda - February 9, 2018 at 7:15 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Huggy Bear - February 9, 2018 at 10:36 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - February 8, 2018 at 7:17 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Huggy Bear - February 8, 2018 at 7:35 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 8, 2018 at 7:26 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - February 8, 2018 at 7:37 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Huggy Bear - February 8, 2018 at 7:43 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - February 8, 2018 at 7:46 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Huggy Bear - February 8, 2018 at 7:55 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - February 8, 2018 at 8:03 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Huggy Bear - February 8, 2018 at 8:21 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 8, 2018 at 8:46 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - February 8, 2018 at 8:29 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Huggy Bear - February 8, 2018 at 8:49 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 8, 2018 at 8:51 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Neo-Scholastic - February 8, 2018 at 8:55 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by John V - February 9, 2018 at 7:25 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - February 8, 2018 at 8:59 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by possibletarian - February 8, 2018 at 9:10 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 8, 2018 at 9:39 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 8, 2018 at 10:33 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 9, 2018 at 12:55 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 9, 2018 at 1:30 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Minimalist - February 9, 2018 at 1:31 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 9, 2018 at 1:35 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 9, 2018 at 6:44 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 9, 2018 at 7:43 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Catholic_Lady - February 9, 2018 at 8:00 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 9, 2018 at 8:07 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by John V - February 9, 2018 at 9:24 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Catholic_Lady - February 9, 2018 at 9:28 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Whateverist - February 9, 2018 at 12:31 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Succubus - February 9, 2018 at 3:24 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Succubus - February 9, 2018 at 10:15 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Catholic_Lady - February 9, 2018 at 10:18 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 9, 2018 at 1:23 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by John V - February 9, 2018 at 6:15 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Neo-Scholastic - February 9, 2018 at 7:03 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Drich - February 9, 2018 at 10:42 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2018 at 11:12 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Huggy Bear - February 9, 2018 at 11:52 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Huggy Bear - February 9, 2018 at 1:54 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 9, 2018 at 2:25 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Huggy Bear - February 9, 2018 at 3:47 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2018 at 2:01 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 9, 2018 at 3:27 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 9, 2018 at 3:52 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Catholic_Lady - February 9, 2018 at 4:02 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Huggy Bear - February 9, 2018 at 4:07 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 9, 2018 at 5:02 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2018 at 4:02 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Whateverist - February 9, 2018 at 4:47 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 9, 2018 at 4:07 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Banned - February 9, 2018 at 4:17 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 9, 2018 at 4:25 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Banned - February 9, 2018 at 4:46 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 9, 2018 at 4:57 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by possibletarian - February 9, 2018 at 6:06 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Huggy Bear - February 9, 2018 at 7:01 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by possibletarian - February 9, 2018 at 7:25 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Banned - February 9, 2018 at 6:16 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Angrboda - February 9, 2018 at 7:03 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by SaStrike - February 9, 2018 at 7:40 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Banned - February 9, 2018 at 8:01 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 9, 2018 at 11:31 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by vulcanlogician - February 13, 2018 at 4:06 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Drich - March 14, 2018 at 4:18 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Angrboda - March 14, 2018 at 9:37 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Drich - March 16, 2018 at 10:49 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by He lives - March 16, 2018 at 12:09 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Angrboda - March 17, 2018 at 12:12 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Drich - March 19, 2018 at 10:00 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by He lives - March 19, 2018 at 11:52 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Drich - March 22, 2018 at 9:29 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by He lives - March 14, 2018 at 6:31 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Neo-Scholastic - May 25, 2018 at 12:58 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 9, 2018 at 7:29 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2018 at 7:34 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2018 at 8:04 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by vulcanlogician - February 9, 2018 at 8:05 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 9, 2018 at 8:23 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by vulcanlogician - February 9, 2018 at 8:28 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 10, 2018 at 5:26 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Cod - February 10, 2018 at 5:59 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 11, 2018 at 2:11 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2018 at 10:30 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 9, 2018 at 11:53 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Banned - February 10, 2018 at 5:09 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 10, 2018 at 5:40 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Banned - February 10, 2018 at 8:23 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by downbeatplumb - February 10, 2018 at 7:37 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Godscreated - February 13, 2018 at 1:41 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 13, 2018 at 3:16 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 13, 2018 at 9:52 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Whateverist - February 13, 2018 at 10:29 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Godscreated - February 14, 2018 at 1:04 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 14, 2018 at 2:36 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Godscreated - February 15, 2018 at 1:37 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 15, 2018 at 8:47 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Neo-Scholastic - February 15, 2018 at 10:15 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 15, 2018 at 10:43 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Neo-Scholastic - February 15, 2018 at 12:25 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 15, 2018 at 2:34 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Godscreated - February 16, 2018 at 3:54 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Grandizer - February 16, 2018 at 4:09 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Godscreated - February 16, 2018 at 4:28 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Grandizer - February 16, 2018 at 6:22 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Godscreated - February 17, 2018 at 2:18 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Grandizer - February 17, 2018 at 2:27 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by vulcanlogician - February 17, 2018 at 2:34 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Grandizer - February 17, 2018 at 8:40 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Rhondazvous - February 17, 2018 at 9:09 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 17, 2018 at 2:00 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Whateverist - February 17, 2018 at 3:51 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Godscreated - February 19, 2018 at 3:20 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 19, 2018 at 7:17 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by downbeatplumb - February 19, 2018 at 11:16 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Godscreated - February 20, 2018 at 12:23 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 20, 2018 at 11:56 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Godscreated - February 21, 2018 at 1:13 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by downbeatplumb - February 21, 2018 at 2:03 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Godscreated - February 22, 2018 at 3:43 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by downbeatplumb - February 20, 2018 at 2:49 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 16, 2018 at 8:53 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Grandizer - February 14, 2018 at 1:20 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Godscreated - February 14, 2018 at 1:24 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2018 at 1:55 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 13, 2018 at 2:42 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Cod - February 13, 2018 at 4:16 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2018 at 4:12 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by vulcanlogician - February 13, 2018 at 4:43 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Imabeliever - February 13, 2018 at 4:18 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Cyberman - February 15, 2018 at 3:40 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2018 at 5:49 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 14, 2018 at 2:20 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 14, 2018 at 2:57 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 15, 2018 at 4:08 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Edwardo Piet - February 15, 2018 at 10:44 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - February 15, 2018 at 12:29 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Edwardo Piet - February 16, 2018 at 9:57 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 15, 2018 at 1:15 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - February 15, 2018 at 3:01 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Neo-Scholastic - February 15, 2018 at 3:55 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Whateverist - February 16, 2018 at 8:14 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 16, 2018 at 9:09 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 16, 2018 at 10:17 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Whateverist - February 16, 2018 at 10:21 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Edwardo Piet - February 16, 2018 at 10:25 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Rhondazvous - February 17, 2018 at 2:34 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Cinjin - February 17, 2018 at 11:28 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by vorlon13 - February 17, 2018 at 11:32 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - February 17, 2018 at 11:45 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 18, 2018 at 5:23 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by possibletarian - March 8, 2018 at 9:52 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - March 8, 2018 at 11:10 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Edwardo Piet - March 8, 2018 at 4:04 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - March 14, 2018 at 4:45 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Amarok - March 14, 2018 at 6:53 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - March 14, 2018 at 7:50 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2018 at 12:23 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - March 19, 2018 at 11:12 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by c172 - March 19, 2018 at 11:15 am
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by The Grand Nudger - March 19, 2018 at 12:59 pm
RE: Why, God? Why?! - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 12:57 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  God is god, and we are not god StoryBook 43 12841 January 6, 2014 at 5:47 pm
Last Post: StoryBook
  God get's angry, Moses changes God's plans of wrath, God regrets "evil" he planned Mystic 9 6789 February 16, 2012 at 8:17 am
Last Post: Strongbad



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)