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Why, God? Why?!
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RE: Why, God? Why?!
(February 8, 2018 at 5:18 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(February 8, 2018 at 4:59 pm)SteveII Wrote: First, I think God changes. Jesus' life would be an experience God did not have prior--a change. A relationship with Christians is a change. 

That is if we think of Jesus Christ as a baby, becoming a youth, then a fully grown man as seen from within our temporal framework. And yet in its entirety the Life of Christ is, from an eternalist perspective, the full and complete expression of the Divine Will.

But the whole problem is embedded in the seemingly binary choice between eternalism and presentism, neither of which seems entirely right and yet it also seems like those are the only two choices.
I do ascribe to a tensed theory of time.  I think God was timeless before creation and became temporal at the moment of creation. I find the molinist view of God's foreknowledge to be the most plausible and best fit the texts of the NT. Therefore God can have perfect knowledge of the future without the future existing. While God knew of the Life of Christ from eternity past, he had not yet experienced it. Oh well. An age-old riddle.
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