(February 9, 2018 at 9:08 am)pocaracas Wrote:(February 9, 2018 at 7:46 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Nothing is an inconceivable state . You cannot think of nothing . Nor can one negate everything that is . To say that there could ever be real nothing is nonsense .
I'm not sure the religious philosophy claims that there ever was true nothingness.
I think their arguments rests on there being only god.
Of course, our words betray the underlying existence of time in all this. Existence of stuff also requires the spatial framework. So, one can posit space-time as the basis for all existence.
The whole point of the cosmological arguments is that true nothingness is a thing (as far as the physical or material world is concerned at least). Why else would SteveII argue pages with us over it? Many learned theists don't adhere to pantheism or the sort; they see God as beyond this space-time world we're in rather than be reduced to it. Otherwise, there wouldn't be a point to the doctrine "creatio ex nihilo".