RE: God is so quiet
February 11, 2018 at 8:33 am
(This post was last modified: February 11, 2018 at 8:35 am by GrandizerII.)
(February 11, 2018 at 8:10 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Also jumping the shark on the idea one can imagine the universe not existing . And talking about a negation is not the same as being able to conceptualize it the universe not existing .
(February 11, 2018 at 8:08 am)Khemikal Wrote: I'm not sure why the impulse to describe a god as a necessary being is a thing. Even magic book tells us that god was sitting in the void before he started muttering cantrips.
There is literally nothing that makes any god necessary. I can easily think of a universe lacking any god that has every been described to me . In decades have never been able to do the same with all of existence.
Yes, and that is the flaw in Steve's wording earlier. If one can conceive of God not existing in a possible world, then that makes God not necessary.
But of course, in order for arguments like the argument from contingency and the modal ontological argument to work, God has to be deemed a necessary being in the eyes of theists defending those arguments. So perhaps Steve shouldn't have said anything about conceiving, and just stuck to God by definition is necessary, lol.
And, yeah, theists pretty much force a difference between God and the universe in terms of modality when there is none, because they have to. Otherwise, how else would they explain the existence of the universe by appealing to the one God that they adhere to? If the universe can exist independent of God, then there's no point to God, and they can't have that.
