(February 11, 2018 at 10:34 am)SteveII Wrote:(February 11, 2018 at 9:15 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: I think Matt D. brings up a point worth noting about the argument from contingency by noting the distinction between causal contingency and sustained contingency. The argument itself is not an argument for sustained contingency...Not that that is its only problem Ofc. We have the Bible to fill in those blanks I guess. 😏
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l6esL6yz52Q
I listened. There might be a point to make about the possibility God created the universe and in doing so ceased to exist. However, that is only a solution to the argument and does not address the rest of the reasons to think God exists (personal experience, people claiming to be changed/minor miracles, the NT, etc.). As I have always stated, the case for Christianity is cumulative.
Also, don't buy the nonsense of going through the premises and having Matt say the conclusion does not follow. He knows very well that is the summary version and discussion on the crucial premises take pages and pages to show the reasoning. I think there is 60 pages in my Natural Theology textbook on this argument alone.
(February 11, 2018 at 9:44 am)possibletarian Wrote: Does existence even require an explanation ?
Having what you personally believe to be a superior explanation , albeit one that has exactly the same problem that it just does have to exist by brute fact to a problem that does not require an explanation seems circular, more importantly unnecessary.
A child could show you the world around you exists, however a God, who presumably would be the single most important obvious thing or living entity in the universe fails to have any convincing evidence, this you claim is a better explanation ?
I guess that's how the theist mind works it cannot conceive existence without a reason, or life without a 'why'.
Your whole point boils down to your opinion that an explanation is not needed. What came first, your opinion that one is not needed or that your worldview does not have one?
God is not a brute fact. All these words have specific meaning. Learn what they are.
That's the silliest reply I've seen to date
How could god not be a brute fact to someone who believes god needs no explanation for its existence ?
'Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'