RE: God is so quiet
February 11, 2018 at 11:39 pm
(This post was last modified: February 11, 2018 at 11:58 pm by possibletarian.)
(February 11, 2018 at 10:42 pm)SteveII Wrote: Because words have meanings.
Brute fact: a fact that has no explanation
Necessary object: an object that exists by necessity of its own nature
Contingent object: an object that relies on something else for its existence.
If God exists, then part of what we are saying is that there exists a being that is the ultimate cause of all reality. If that is not what we are talking about, then we are not talking about God. God has a pretty standard definition. Therefore IF God exists, he does so necessarily--not contingently.
'More narrowly, brute facts may instead be defined as those facts which cannot be explained (as opposed to simply having no explanation).'
Why do you believe there has to be a cause of reality ? What possible explanation can something that has always existed have for existing ?
Quote:It does not follow that if our cosmos is contingent, then so is God--at all. The argument is if our cosmos is contingent, what properties would a first cause have to have? Beginningless, uncaused, timeless, spaceless, changeless, immaterial, enormously powerful, and intentional?
When you get down to it, those properties sound a lot like God.
Well yes definitions made to look like a god, surprisingly look like a god, but do any of those really exist outside of the mind , when applied to a thinking supernatural being ?
The universe can be proven to exist, to add made up supernatural beings and intention is is just daft.
'Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'