RE: God is so quiet
February 12, 2018 at 1:14 am
(This post was last modified: February 12, 2018 at 1:20 am by Amarok.)
(February 12, 2018 at 12:26 am)Khemikal Wrote:Theists delude themselves that it's intellectual curiosity that drives them to the so called "first cause " But really it purely about reinforcing their dogma .(February 12, 2018 at 12:07 am)SteveII Wrote: Logic demands that there has to be at least one necessarily existing object that can cause all other contingent things.No, it doesn't. It's simple incapable of reaching a terminus in conclusion in the case of infinite regress. That's it, that's all. There's no law of "There cannot be infinite regress!"
You demand it, because you want an answer that you do not possess, and, ironically, where there may be no answer.
Quote:You might be happy with the the universe being a brute fact and live a full and complete life in spite of the question. Others are not happy with that conclusion and go through all kinds of machinations to avoid discussing a possible "first cause". Still others find other compelling reasons to believe in God and are interested in knowing if the natural world supports their conclusions arrived at from other sources.
There's no reason to bullshit yourself or anyone else endlessly about first causes. It's not existence, or reality, or the universe that you seek to explain anyway. It's this rock, your life. If something caused god and then god caused all of this..made you out of mud just like magic book says...do you think you'd walk right out of church?
OFC not, you'd think (and probably crow on to no end) "See, god -is- the explanation for human beings and the earth..we didn't have it exactly right but we got the important bits! Allah Akbar!"
1.There is once again no reason that god is necessary. Simply saying god must be x is Steve's stubbornness not a fact about god.
2. There is no reason to believe existence is contingent. And no way you can conceive of non existence . And in no world could non existence be the case . And no reason that existence is not its own explanation or needs a cause like things within existence . What people are happy with means absolutely nothing .
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