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Josh McDowell
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RE: Josh McDowell
Let's just make this clear: You measure world suffering by what you are told (via news, etc), but in truth you don't know whether God is moving or not.

God promises that he will show himself, but not until everyone is given the chance to be deceived and wrapped up in their own broken reasons to deny him. Even if he chose to come down now and then, we would attribute every miracle and healing, every special deliverance to something else. We'd find something to give the credit to, you know you wouldn't give it to a deity, you'd be quicker to hand it over to science or chance.

Really, human suffering is the easiest way to be deceived, because you have news papers, television, you have the internet and the smart phone, you think because you can see suffering, that you can see healing and deliverance too? You think good things are news worthy? You think because you can see what's happening to people's bodies that you can see what's happening to their souls? And you think because you don't believe in God that he's not working miracles in the lives of people around the world. Do you have any way to check whether people feel blessed or not? Unless you go to these suffering people, how do you know God is not moving? And how do you know these very people you're "defending" are not followers of God, blessing his name? Do you know who suffering people usually depend on? Christians. They depend on Christians, because some people who believe in nothing serve themselves, while some people who believe in something holy and loving, serve others. It's clear to me that human suffering is simply another way for you to deny God's existence so you can continue living by your own rules.

Lastly, your personal decision to deny Christ does absolutely nothing to stop people from suffering around the world, so unless you intend to do something personally about this terrible suffering that is "proof" God isn't real, don't accuse an entity that you can't see of doing nothing, by giving people hope and moving in ways that you can't see, this entity is doing more than you ever could.
"And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him." Hebrews 11:6
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Josh McDowell - by salty - August 29, 2011 at 11:00 am
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