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Why, God? Why?!
RE: Why, God? Why?!
(February 13, 2018 at 3:16 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: On the other hand, (to bring you guys back to Jor’s thoughtful response that no Theist has taken a crack at yet) if god is NOT complete, whole and self-fulfilling, and can experience needs and wants the same as humans do, where do those desires come from, and why does he experience them?  Of what value are they to a perfect god?


The short answer is that God is not and never was an independent being. It always was a 'being' whose sole existent was in our psyche/brain, the same place we find our conscious sense of self. If its wants and needs strike us as suspiciously familiar it is because they originate in the same place ours do. Gods are still a possible way to configure the human psyche and even when you no longer address the murky reverberations of the unconscious as "God", you still have a dynamic subconscious region of your consciousness which may hang onto wants and needs you'd prefer to let go.
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Why, God? Why?! - by LadyForCamus - February 7, 2018 at 10:17 pm
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