Josh McDowell

[Cinjin]

Let's just make this clear: You measure world suffering by what you are told (via news, etc), but in truth you don't know whether God is moving or not.

God promises that he will show himself, but not until everyone is given the chance to be deceived and wrapped up in their own broken reasons to deny him. Even if he chose to come down now and then, we would attribute every miracle and healing, every special deliverance to something else. We'd find something to give the credit to, you know you wouldn't give it to a deity, you'd be quicker to hand it over to science or chance.

Since we can't know what proof god would actually use to show himself to be the one and only creator of the universe were he to visit - you can't tell us what we would or would not do in that event. So this argument of yours is baseless and unprovable.

Really, human suffering is the easiest way to be deceived, because you have news papers, television, you have the internet and the smart phone, you think because you can see suffering, that you can see healing and deliverance too? You think good things are news worthy?

I don't know what your point is. We've all seen people get well and be healed by medical science. We've also seen billions suffer and die. Your point is irrelevant as it does not prove that god did anything.

You think because you can see what's happening to people's bodies that you can see what's happening to their souls? And you think because you don't believe in God that he's not working miracles in the lives of people around the world. Do you have any way to check whether people feel blessed or not? Unless you go to these suffering people, how do you know God is not moving? And how do you know these very people you're "defending" are not followers of God, blessing his name?

How do you know god is moving anymore than anyone else?! Can you read minds? The truth is, you don't know. You assume that god must have some kind of plan, but you only really assume that because that is what you have been told. Another unprovable assertion.

Do you know who suffering people usually depend on? Christians. They depend on Christians, because some people who believe in nothing serve themselves, while some people who believe in something holy and loving, serve others. It's clear to me that human suffering is simply another way for you to deny God's existence so you can continue living by your own rules.

Another stupid assumption made by the ignorant ... Atheists do not need excuses to deny something that cannot be proven to exist.
And most importantly - I live "by my own rules" rather than your gods for one very good reason: Your god's rules require me to be a bigoted asshole who goes around judging, crusading, and even killing people (my own family members if needs be) who don't support his ass-holiness. Living by my rules is far more humane, fair and kind than the rules of your self-absorbed god.

Lastly, your personal decision to deny Christ does absolutely nothing to stop people from suffering around the world, so unless you intend to do something personally about this terrible suffering that is "proof" God isn't real, don't accuse an entity that you can't see of doing nothing, by giving people hope and moving in ways that you can't see, this entity is doing more than you ever could.

No he's not, and just because you believe something to be true, doesn't make it so.

God is not the one providing food to Africa. We are. God is not the one cleaning up the tsunami. We are. God is not the one who destroyed the dictator, Hitler, who killed 6 million Jews (god's own fucking people by the way). We did that. Your god isn't doing jack shit - but how convenient for you to be able to say, "you just can't see how god is moving." You sheep!