RE: Josh McDowell
August 29, 2011 at 8:10 pm
(This post was last modified: August 29, 2011 at 8:16 pm by Simon Moon.)
(August 29, 2011 at 7:44 pm)salty Wrote: I know about many of the cults. I know that someone who only reads the Bible to mock it wouldn't understand what it's saying, in the first place.
I originally read the Bible from the status of a believer. Not to mock it.
Quote: He has a plan for you, something that only you can achieve and that you will doing. Have you ever considered that God sees you in double vision? He sees what you are now and what you could be?
Then the god you believe exists is not omniscient. That is not how the Bible describes the 'God' character.
Where are you getting your belief that the Biblical 'God' character is not omniscient?
Quote:He doesn't give up on you, even though he knows your ultimate decision
So, 'he' knows what I will decide, but he still keeps hoping I will decide differently?!
Can I just say, WOW? I think I will...WOW!
So, you are agreeing with me. Your god created me with the advanced knowledge what my decision would be (using the brain he gave me), knowing all along that I am destined for eternal torture for a finite thought crime. Please tell me how this system represents a 'loving god'?
Quote: I'm here for that part of each of you that is truly seeking the Lord
So, you already have to believe in order to believe. Got it.
Quote: You all know so well how to hurt, to embarrass, to mock, to deceive, to simper, to refuse, but do any of you know how to rationally consider something?
I absolutely use my rationality to consider what I choose to believe. But I care way too much whether my beliefs are true, or at least likely to be true. Believing something on faith is a horrible method to choose beliefs. After all, over 66% of the Earth's population have also used faith for their religious beliefs, but according to you, they all believe in the 'wrong god'. Faith failed them, according to you.
Quote:I used to have so much bitterness, hatred and anger
None of those describe me.
Quote:If any of you were truly seeking the Lord, he would have already shown up for you as he did for me. It's when you want God to submit to your rules that he doesn't show up, why should he? You wouldn't recognize him, so he waits until you really want to know him, and he appears
As i said above, you have to believe (completely bias yourself) before you can believe. True beliefs should not require that, they should be self evident.
See my signature below.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.