(May 14, 2009 at 4:07 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(May 13, 2009 at 8:00 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Well all I know is that there is no known evidence (or valid reasons therefore) to believe that God exists....
And if there were VALID REASONS to have FAITH in God then it wouldn't be faith because with the valid reasons already there would have to be evidence (because if the valid reasons WERE valid then that would count as evidence) - so you couldn't have faith because the valid reasons would count as evidence, and if there's evidnece, there's no faith (because faith is without evidence).
EvF
Haha! Good one
But... LOL
Only provable evidence discounts faith. Reasoning for God's existence (for they are many) prove nothing.
I didn't speak of proof.
The evidence may not be proved...but you need valid reasons TO believe that it is indeed evidence.....if you don't have any then you have no evidence and have no valid reasons...if you DO have valid reasons then that's at least considered to probably count as evidence and count as something towards the likelihood of God's existence - but then it wouldn't be faith because you'd have valid reasons that would count as evidence.
If you have no reason to believe that you have evidence then you must have no valid reasons..because if you had valid reasons then they would count as evidence...
And if you have no valid reasons then that's just plain irrational.
EvF