Man Named 'Tiffany' Is Dominating Women's Pro Volleyball in Brazil

[paulpablo]

I just previously said I think familiarity is more important.  I know female athletes who I think could beat me at soccer, old women can beat me at swimming.  

We seem to be in agreement.  

It's results based on averages, relating to specific sports, I'd argue most sports, that men out perform women on average.

We've left the domain of "the average guy/gal" and entered into the domain of athletes.  I'd agree, but as we've already agreed..it aint "because male". 

People can raise their standards of performance with steroids, growth hormones and other substances, people can lower their standards of performance by keeping their muscles still and letting the muscle waste away.  That's gender neutral. 

Agreed, they can also intentionally waste their muscle mass and bone density and stamina and (on and on) away with hormone therapy...like, say, an m-f transition.  

You can keep a cheetah in horrible conditions, let the muscles waste away while training up a greyhound and giving it performance enhancing drugs.  That dog might beat that feline.  Cheetahs are still faster than greyhounds on average.

What happens when you inject drugs into people has no impact on average male vs average female.

The presence of those substances, however, seems to be to be a highly relevant factor..in that we've also agreed.  

So, since we agree on everything, how about that question I asked earlier?  What do you think.  If we had good trans regs, and m-f trans athletes were matched with females because they had similar muscle mass, bone density, t levels..etc....would that be kosher?

I don't know if we agree because you haven't yet alluded to agreeing that the average male is better at the majority of sports than the average woman. 

We agree that women can be skillful and win things while in competition with men, which is something a 6 year old could conclude and something which no one has argued against that I know of.

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No, it doesn't. This is what I've been saying all along. The distinct biological differences they do have tend to make them stronger, etc, but it does not make them more *able* to be athletic. A woman can train, get in her peak physical condition and smoke the majority of men who are sitting on their couches. You get the advantages by training, not by being born. Unless you're saying a woman can't train to become stronger than a man, then we don't disagree.

Not to be picky but sometimes you get the advantages by being born into the right genetics.  

A lot of professional athletes could take years off training, even take drugs (not the performance enhancing ones), have a few donuts (probably while doing whatever athletic challenge/sport we're competing in) and destroy me in my prime while I train however many days a week at the gym.