Evolution

[Angrboda]

The original point was that there is a third alternative that is neither intelligent design nor randomness.  Of course self-organizing systems make use of causes.  Causes are ordered patterns of behavior, the exact opposite of randomness.  And self-organization bootstraps the order inherent in natural causes to create ordered systems out of disordered matter.   No intelligence needed.  Your response was that self-organizing processes do not exist.  Pointing out that self-organized systems make use of natural causes doesn't in any way answer Mathilda's point that the order resulting from self-organization is neither intelligent design nor happenstance.   Or are you going to simply beg the question by asserting that order exists because God exists?  If so, why bother with the claim that you have evidence that things are intelligently designed?  If you're just going to assert that without evidence, then you rightly deserve to fuck off.

If you think that order comes from chaos, then you might like to consider that there is no such thing as chaos.

Order and chaos are relative terms. Order implies the existence of chaos. Chaos implies the existence of order.

You might want to think about the actual meaning of the words you use before you spit out your next zen koan.

Still waiting for a cogent response to the point under consideration.