(March 10, 2018 at 3:30 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: He's hopeless. It's obvious the only "education" he ever got was from mom and dad, except for the bits he picked up on Saturday mornings at the local SDA cult meetings.

Aren't you a reprobate?

Quote:Then you are obviously wasting your time here, or do you have a need to call people names?

 No chiding cultists is never a waste of time . I call you what you are . And your thin skinned mothings move me not . And now your going to call me a sociopath . You have done this song and dance before . It's stale.

(March 10, 2018 at 3:39 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 3:38 pm)Banned Wrote: That's correct.
The universe is separated enough to make God seem obsolete. And yes, you can choose what to think about it.
It's called freedom.

Take the Universe.
Take away  God.
Nothing changes.

All you have to do is change history and remove the name of Christ, and denial will be so much easier.

Quote:All you have to do is change history and remove the name of Christ, and denial will be so much easier.

Too bad real history doubts the existence of such a man . And even were possible none of it supports your cults divinity . We don't have to deny the ravings of cultists .

(March 10, 2018 at 3:49 pm)Banned Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 3:30 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: He's hopeless. It's obvious the only "education" he ever got was from mom and dad, except for the bits he picked up on Saturday mornings at the local SDA cult meetings.

Aren't you a reprobate?

Just pointing up the obvious. If you take offense, that's on you.

Although, I don't see you denying the charges...

(March 10, 2018 at 3:54 pm)Banned Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 3:39 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Take the Universe.
Take away  God.
Nothing changes.

All you have to do is change history and remove the name of Christ, and denial will be so much easier.

Don't have to go that far. God just isn't.

(March 10, 2018 at 3:44 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Yup (the universe) it's very complex this demonstrates nothing 

To some people it doesn't demonstrate anything, it depends on the level of awareness.

Quote:To some people it doesn't demonstrate anything, it depends on the level of awareness.

No it depends on how badly you need your magic god belief to be true vs how much you actually want to understand the world .

(March 10, 2018 at 3:57 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

Quote:All you have to do is change history and remove the name of Christ, and denial will be so much easier.

Too bad real history doubts the existence of such a man . And even were possible none of it supports your cults divinity . We don't have to deny the ravings of cultists .

Go ahead change history, haven't you already done that successfully?
It's your world, for the time being.

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(March 10, 2018 at 3:57 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 3:49 pm)Banned Wrote: Aren't you a reprobate?

Just pointing up the obvious. If you take offense, that's on you.

Although, I don't see you denying the charges...

I don't take offense at your point of view, you are entitled to have one of me.

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(March 10, 2018 at 3:58 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 3:54 pm)Banned Wrote: All you have to do is change history and remove the name of Christ, and denial will be so much easier.

Don't have to go that far. God just isn't.

Think again.

(March 10, 2018 at 3:34 pm)Banned Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 3:14 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: This has fuckall to do with the point I was making.  Because you can't answer the objection, you change the subject.  Fuckwit.  Answer the point or don't.

That's ok, it would be rare for someone to know the answer about magnetism.

The point would have been that there is a cause to it, which isn't self organising or even self existent.

(March 10, 2018 at 6:11 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(March 9, 2018 at 4:17 pm)He lives Wrote: Do you have another possibility for abiogenesis? I only know of two, intelligent design or happenstance.

Self-organisation.

The original point was that there is a third alternative that is neither intelligent design nor randomness. Of course self-organizing systems make use of causes. Causes are ordered patterns of behavior, the exact opposite of randomness. And self-organization bootstraps the order inherent in natural causes to create ordered systems out of disordered matter. No intelligence needed. Your response was that self-organizing processes do not exist. Pointing out that self-organized systems make use of natural causes doesn't in any way answer Mathilda's point that the order resulting from self-organization is neither intelligent design nor happenstance. Or are you going to simply beg the question by asserting that order exists because God exists? If so, why bother with the claim that you have evidence that things are intelligently designed? If you're just going to assert that without evidence, then you rightly deserve to fuck off.