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Christian Privilege
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RE: Christian Privilege
(March 18, 2018 at 9:38 pm)Grandizer Wrote:
(March 18, 2018 at 11:24 am)paulpablo Wrote: It's not a red herring it's pointing out circular logic.  That's what it is if you say people are systematically disadvantaged due to being disadvantaged, saying something is there and the reason that it's there is because it's there.  It's using circular logic rather than talking about actual reasons.  It wasn't really a big deal just something minor I noticed.

You're focusing on the wrong argument here. In fact, you're the one who split that sentence into a conclusion and premise when the whole thing is meant as a premise for the actual argument that I made there. Again remove the "due to ... " phrase, it doesn't matter. The actual argument still stands.

Quote:I never said there is one type of privilege, I said there's lots and lots of different types.

Ok, but do you see what I'm getting at here? One can have male or white privilege and still not have the privilege a white man has. To say that most people are privileged is misleading.

Quote:I'd never dismiss Christian privilege, it's obviously as real as any other privilege resulting from religious prejudice.

Yet, you do just that down below.

Quote:Including Muslim privilege that you're dismissing because it isn't "a legitimate sociology term".
Religious discrimination is rife in many Islamic countries.

Including discrimination against certain sects of Islam. Nevertheless, I'm happy to grant that Muslim privilege exists somewhere in this world, but it still doesn't change the fact Christian privilege is pervasive and can clearly be observed almost everywhere in the Western world and other parts of the world.

Quote:I read through the examples of Christian privilege and so far can see none that I get from being an atheist that used to be a Christian.  

The examples of Christian privilege are also simply false because of oversimplification in many of those cases.

This is why I don't believe for a second that you actually acknowledge the existence of Christian privilege or privilege in general. Your denial here is clear.

I don't know about focusing on the wrong argument. I just briefly mentioned that you saying something exists because it exists is circular reasoning, it's nothing major, I already said that.


No I don't believe that you can have white male privilege and not have the privilege a white man has.  The sentence itself makes no sense. A white male has no set level of privilege, we're all different, there's a lot of us.

I still don't dismiss that christian privilege exists, it just doesn't exist the way it's described in a few of those examples given.

I didn't get all the way through the list but I didn't see any that I benefit from as an atheist that used to be Christian, and I can already see some major flaws in what's already listed.


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Messages In This Thread
Christian Privilege - by Grandizer - March 17, 2018 at 12:34 pm
RE: Christian Privilege - by brewer - March 17, 2018 at 12:47 pm
RE: Christian Privilege - by paulpablo - March 17, 2018 at 1:13 pm
RE: Christian Privilege - by Grandizer - March 17, 2018 at 9:34 pm
RE: Christian Privilege - by paulpablo - March 17, 2018 at 10:46 pm
RE: Christian Privilege - by Grandizer - March 18, 2018 at 7:42 am
RE: Christian Privilege - by paulpablo - March 18, 2018 at 9:24 am
RE: Christian Privilege - by Grandizer - March 18, 2018 at 10:44 am
RE: Christian Privilege - by paulpablo - March 18, 2018 at 11:24 am
RE: Christian Privilege - by Grandizer - March 18, 2018 at 9:38 pm
RE: Christian Privilege - by paulpablo - March 19, 2018 at 12:48 am
RE: Christian Privilege - by Grandizer - March 19, 2018 at 9:56 am
RE: Christian Privilege - by paulpablo - March 19, 2018 at 11:27 am
RE: Christian Privilege - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2018 at 1:56 pm
RE: Christian Privilege - by paulpablo - March 17, 2018 at 2:23 pm
RE: Christian Privilege - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2018 at 2:26 pm
RE: Christian Privilege - by paulpablo - March 17, 2018 at 10:29 pm
RE: Christian Privilege - by vorlon13 - March 17, 2018 at 2:44 pm
RE: Christian Privilege - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2018 at 2:49 pm
RE: Christian Privilege - by mlmooney89 - March 17, 2018 at 3:42 pm
RE: Christian Privilege - by vorlon13 - March 17, 2018 at 5:25 pm
RE: Christian Privilege - by henryp - March 17, 2018 at 10:42 pm
RE: Christian Privilege - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 18, 2018 at 7:26 am
RE: Christian Privilege - by The Grand Nudger - March 18, 2018 at 9:46 am
RE: Christian Privilege - by paulpablo - March 18, 2018 at 9:54 am
RE: Christian Privilege - by The Grand Nudger - March 18, 2018 at 9:57 am
RE: Christian Privilege - by paulpablo - March 18, 2018 at 10:15 am
RE: Christian Privilege - by The Grand Nudger - March 18, 2018 at 10:18 am
RE: Christian Privilege - by The Grand Nudger - March 18, 2018 at 5:54 pm
RE: Christian Privilege - by Minimalist - March 18, 2018 at 10:24 pm
RE: Christian Privilege - by The Grand Nudger - March 19, 2018 at 11:07 am
RE: Christian Privilege - by The Grand Nudger - March 19, 2018 at 11:52 am
RE: Christian Privilege - by paulpablo - March 19, 2018 at 12:00 pm
RE: Christian Privilege - by The Grand Nudger - March 19, 2018 at 12:03 pm

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