(September 2, 2011 at 3:12 pm)salty Wrote: If they didn't have the tree, they would be forced to obey God for all time never choosing God.
Huh? This makes sense to you? If "God" didn't tell them not to do something they would be "forced to obey" for all time? They couldn't "choose" your deity otherwise?

Quote:That's not real love, that's slavery.
A being creates you and presents you with a command he knows you will disobey so he can punish you. Yeah... sounds like "love" to me.
Quote:If God wanted slaves he would have made the angels with no will to decide if they wanted to rebel and he wouldn't have created Lucifer, since he knew that Lucifer would be the one to compel the others.
So your deity created "Lucifer" knowing that this malevolent being would cause all manner of suffering and hardship among the people your deity supposedly loves. Would you buy a cobra and let it loose in your child's bedroom?
Quote:It's like an old fashioned arranged marriage, your spouse is chosen by your parents, no good times and bad times with a boyfriend or girlfriend, no chance to be dedicated to someone because you want to, no Notebook love, no P.S. I Love You situation. You would be handed your destiny with no arguments. Who wants that?
Well, according to you, this deity already knows how our lives will turn out before we're even born. If this is true, I would say that our destiny is handed to us with no arguments.
Quote:With the tree and the commandment not to eat the fruit, humans were given a choice.
No, Adam and Eve were given a choice. Don't lump us all in there!
Quote:Obey the commandment and resist the fruit or disobey the commandment and indulge.
That's how the story goes.
Quote:God is all knowing, therefore he was aware that they would disobey
Then why the test in the first place?
Quote:and he already had a plan to redeem humankind, which he declared in Genesis.
But "humankind" wouldn't need redeeming if not for your deity's asanine "test". And why does all of humanity suffer for the actions of a naieve young couple thousands of years ago? I had nothing to do with it! Yet I'm denied living in paradise because they fucked up? Seems to me that you can strike "just" off the list of qualities your deity supposedly possesses.
Quote:It's confusing to think of Adam & Eve giving birth to so many children, and incest, etc happening.
Yeah, because the story doesn't make sense, does it?
Quote:Cain married someone from another land
How could someone have come from "another land" when the only people on the planet were Cain's parents? My bullshit meter is going off.
Quote: so I'm really unsure where some of the people that were around came from,
Yeah, these Biblical fairy tales don't make much sense, do they?
Quote:but that missing information is not enough for me to doubt the existence of God,
I'm certain absolutely nothing will convince you that "God" is a fictional being.
Quote:it's not enough for me to doubt the Bible either,
When you've been indoctrinated to believe this nonsense it's difficult to shed those beliefs. If obvious untruths in the Bible don't make you doubt, I don't know what will.
Quote:it's just something that God will help me understand later,
If it doesn't make sense, "God" will explain it to me after I'm dead!
Yeah, sure.
Quote:as well as the reason for the creation of the centipede.
How about the reason for the creation of anthrax, smallpox, malaria, polio, AIDS, and flesh eating bacteria? I'd like to hear your deity explain why he sent us these little gifts.
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?