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Is humility a virtue?
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RE: Is humility a virtue?
(March 30, 2018 at 3:26 pm)Hammy Wrote:
(March 30, 2018 at 3:21 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Well, we should feel ashamed for our wrong doings. And acknowledging that and feeling remorse for it, is humility.

Yes. We should feel ashamed for bad actions (or at least guilty)... but not for our character. I guess I see guilt as always better than shame, and guilt cultures as superior to shame cultures. There's a difference between feeling bad about something bad you did, and hating who you are as a person (and your own soul if you believe in souls). I don't think even God, if I pretend he exists for a second, would want you to be ashamed of your own personality no matter how bad what you did was, only guilty for your behavior and wrongdoing. What do you think? From a religious perspective, surely our body, our minds and even our souls are given to us by god, and so it's wrong to feel ashamed of them no matter how much we become consumed by sin, as at their core from a religious perspective they're ultimately god-given. Surely it is only our choices, from a religious perspective, and from the perspective of people who believe in free will, that we can truly own. What do you think?

I think we may be on the same page and just struggling a little over semantics. I'm not sure what the distinction is between guilt and shame, as I see those 2 words as being synonymous. As for my character, I do feel ashamed/guilty of my character flaws. I, as a human being, am not perfect. And I think it's crucial to acknowledge that first, so you can then acknowledge that you're not always in the right. The latter follows from the former. 
With that being said, you are correct that we believe God loves us all individually, and would have died that horrible death even if you or I were the only people in the world. God puts tremendous value on us, and so we should put value on ourselves and everyone else as fellow humans.  

The virtue of humility I think can be summed up best in 3 ways:

1. Knowing that you're not always right.

2. Willingness to admit to and apologize for mistakes/wrongdoings.

3. Not seeing yourself above other people.  

It has nothing to do with hating yourself, which isn't healthy.

(March 30, 2018 at 3:28 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Christians are told to exhibit humility so as to encourage them to be more docile before their handlers,  to say nothing of more gullible before their scripture and doctrine.  Humility is also thought to be a good tool to encourage the victims of christian proslytizing to lower their nature guard.

Lol, yep. Exactly that. Tell me more!
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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Is humility a virtue? - by Bahana - March 30, 2018 at 3:13 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by Edwardo Piet - March 30, 2018 at 3:15 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by Chad32 - March 30, 2018 at 3:16 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by Edwardo Piet - March 30, 2018 at 3:18 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by Catholic_Lady - March 30, 2018 at 3:21 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by Edwardo Piet - March 30, 2018 at 3:26 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by Catholic_Lady - March 30, 2018 at 3:40 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by Edwardo Piet - March 30, 2018 at 4:19 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by Chad32 - March 30, 2018 at 4:08 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by Catholic_Lady - March 30, 2018 at 3:17 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2018 at 3:29 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by Catholic_Lady - March 30, 2018 at 3:43 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2018 at 3:57 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2018 at 3:24 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by Anomalocaris - March 30, 2018 at 3:30 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2018 at 3:33 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by Anomalocaris - March 30, 2018 at 3:43 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by Anomalocaris - March 30, 2018 at 3:28 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by RoadRunner79 - March 30, 2018 at 3:41 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by Bahana - March 30, 2018 at 3:45 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by Catholic_Lady - March 30, 2018 at 3:46 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by Anomalocaris - March 30, 2018 at 3:46 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2018 at 4:22 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by Edwardo Piet - March 30, 2018 at 4:34 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by Grandizer - March 30, 2018 at 4:25 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2018 at 4:31 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2018 at 4:38 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by Catholic_Lady - March 30, 2018 at 4:57 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by Whateverist - March 30, 2018 at 5:32 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by MysticKnight - March 30, 2018 at 5:36 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by Anomalocaris - March 30, 2018 at 5:37 pm
RE: Is humility a virtue? - by bennyboy - April 2, 2018 at 10:21 am

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