Arguments for God in Quran.

[Mystic]

I'd say an insurmountable obstacle..since it's going to be painfully obvious even to a believer that moral guidance comes from places other than their god.

Aren't they always railing against it......?

Before our act, we must perceive a way forward. I would say morality is also a living perception.

Now what is that eye?

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There is guidance.
And if you think about long enough, yes, you realize it requires a source.

Calling it some kind of cosmic guidance just so you can attempt to say "There must be a cosmic guide then" is just word games.

I could just as easily say "It feels like cosmic guidance to some people, but it's actually a benign cosmic force." and suddenly the illusion of your word games should become clear to you. Because forces don't require an enforcer.

You can't just define things into existence.

Otherwise I could speak of existent spell-casting wizards, and you can't say they don't exist because I'm not talking about nonexistent spell-casting wizards I'm talking about existent spell-casting wizards. They must exist, by definition!

This is why the ontological argument is so terrible... when it says a maxmially great being must exist because maximal greatness requires existence to be maximally great.

All you're doing is replacing one thing you've failed to demonstrate (the guide), with another thing you've failed to demonstrate (guidance)... which just begs the question.

SOME forms of guidance exist, sure. But so do some kinds of guides, but that doesn't mean this magical cosmic "real guidance" you speak of exist, nor does it mean a superguide/God exists. So it's also important to try not to equivocate....

I'm trying to use abstraction, let guidance mean what it means to you.

Then see what it is. And yes, what's it's guiding source.