Arguments for God in Quran.

[Mystic]

I'm not asking details, I am showing an essential problem that we don't have a source outside ourselves.

We decide, so then it's not guidance. But if we recognize guidance and act according to morals, than what is it?

You understand that the term, ‘self-guided’ is a thing, right?

Did you decide it or are you recognizing it? If the latter, where is it the imperative to be empathetic from? Why not override it.

I’m not sure what you’re asking me here.

Deciding it means like you say "well I want to wear this and that today", it's a decision, creative.

Recognizing means "I should do this and that".

If it's a should, implied in it, it's a command, at some level, you feel pushed to do it and recognize that it's your duty, even if you fail to act according to it.

So if we are recognizing it but are not it's source, as we are the agents to act on it, what is it?

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So, to recap.  You waste a dozen pages or so desperately avoiding posting an argument.  The argument you eventually presented was stillborn...and now you're trying to get other people to tell you the difference between right and wrong?

It's actually quite simple. Guidance needs proof, and God's proof is that guidance.

That's all it is. And with God there is no proof for guidance, there is only misguidance.


The fact is you decide to be moral or empathetic, is just you stating, what you know I know is good to do, but that's because God's proof is ever with you.

No such thing as axioms. There is proof and seeing proof, that's all it is.

But the whole world doesn't want to recognize God's proof because it means they have to accept it as King and Ruler, and as a living thing to act on, and with further with the delegation problem, it's proven to be a human.