(April 2, 2018 at 9:46 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(April 2, 2018 at 8:41 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: And every Christian and Muslim who acts against the instructions of their god is a hypocrite in the exact same way. And, the good Lord forgives and gives an open-ended number of chances to get it right. It seems humans are destined to make mistakes regardless of whether they think their morals are coming from themselves or from a higher power.
So, on a global scale we still have a lot of work to do. Sure. That doesn’t mean the notion of having goals to work toward is a useless or ineffective one.
It is ineffective and counter productive if it's not total guidance.
(April 2, 2018 at 9:19 pm)Hammy Wrote: MK, do I need to make the following any more obvious?
In your case, if everyone agreed that magic exists, I would say premise 2 and 3 are obvious.
Everyone agrees on guidance except real obtuse.
Do you understand that, logically speaking, real guidance as you define it need not exist. The world can operate as usual without real divine guidance.