(April 3, 2018 at 8:32 am)Grandizer Wrote:(April 3, 2018 at 8:29 am)MysticKnight Wrote: It would be an illusion. And it would be us following our desires, as we do, tricking ourselves, we are following morality. And it's the state of humans right now. They don't know what morality is at all, and forgotten the connection and mystic link that binds us, the pledge of the true Kings of humanity, they took before coming to this world.
And the argument falls to pieces if there is no real guidance. And I went that route before. And there is no way to prove it in easy manner. If someone is going to doubt this, they ought truly take their doubt seriously, enough, to search within in themselves the truth of this question.
That's not my job to do for you guys, although, I have shown a process that would conclude it's an illusion without God.
But still, what's the logical problem with it being an illusion (as you argue)? Just because you don't like the thought of it being an illusion does not make it logically problematic.
It's not a logical problem in the sense defined by logicians today. A person can deny the premise.
But remember logic once meant the word, and so the word is the word of God, and it's self-defeating to use word of God to deny the word of God.
That is why I hate people hanging up on definitions of today. Ancients who passed us language, they derived these words, from a less abstract simple way and they weren't cold definers of the word, but had deep layered way of understanding them.
These days, everything is made so trivial.
But essentially you are right, by the definition of logical problem, there is none, it would invalidate the argument.
And there is no such thing as axioms. I'm not going to say it's self-evident, rather, we are to experience language and it's meanings, and language is communication, and symbols that form letters and words are not, nor is the Webster dictionary or any dictionary enough to know what a word means.
It's experience.
And Logic to me still remains the word of God who is the one who makes everything speak.