(April 16, 2018 at 8:04 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:That was a side comment. It's just informing of my perspective. If you want to discuss proofs regarding that, I suggest reading "Ultimate Value and the Signs of it in ourselves" thread. It's very detailed, and I've read a quite a few times, and I don't see flaws in the reasoning though I try my best to pick at it. And you should read the conversation that ensued as well so nothing get's repeated.(April 16, 2018 at 7:53 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I'm not here to discuss the proofs of God (in this thread, this would be off-topic).
I will quote:
If someone is burdened to prove something to a person, the latter person is required to listen attentively and sincerely.
It's a simple proposition.
Why side track the issue. At least agree on this.
I agreed with you up to a point. But then you went side track with the "God is light" claim. Up to that time you were fine. So, I listened, then challenged requesting proof. I could have challenged other things you claim but thought I'd start with the most obvious unfounded claim.
If you want to discuss proofs I am willing to do so. Since you agreed that sincere dialogue is required, I think, you and I should have a one on one debate about the witness/sight/perceiver argument with respect to the value of ourselves.
I will be delighted to clarify it and argue for each of it's premises. I think it's a very strong proof of God and that no human can function without believing in it (which is different then actually proving to be true), and I think showing no human functions without it although different then proving God and the argument to be all true premises leading to a sound conclusion, shows how much you depend on it. You never didn't know a single one of it's premises, and you never lived your life without acting according to it, and you even knew the conclusion and relied on it.
It's a matter of perceiving what you are perceiving.
Ball is in your court, good sir!
