RE: Burden proof is coupled with burden to listen.
April 16, 2018 at 8:21 pm
(This post was last modified: April 16, 2018 at 8:21 pm by vulcanlogician.)
(April 16, 2018 at 7:24 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I thought Christians and Jews lacked guidance in that most of it was corrupted. When I read the Torah and most of the Bible, I realized, very little of it is corrupted, sure a lot of digresses and there are some immoral teachings, but most of it is on point and in a eloquent manifest manner, that the truth is still manifested in it.
Who is anyone to judge what is or is not corrupted, MK? Of course some of the people who wrote down some stuff in the past have what you or I would call "a pure heart." Atheists can be pure-hearted as well. And when such an individual (whether atheist or theist) sits down to write something sincere, their sincerity is transmitted in their words. That doesn't make it true. That doesn't make it false either. I'm trying to get what you mean by "uncorrupted writing." If I have missed the mark, maybe a clear definition of uncorrupted is in order.
Quote:The Torah is very eloquent and beautiful. You guys have serious comprehension issues if you don't know how it proves God and his religion, and the Guides who are the true Kings and Names of God that no person should mix leadership of others with them, because there are no other paths and doors to God but them.
The Bhagavad Gita is very eloquent and beautiful. What does eloquence prove? If it proved anything, then you'd have to say that everything Christopher Hitchens wrote was proven by his (decidedly) eloquent stylings. The Bible does not prove anything because the Bible doesn't try to prove anything. The text is meant to be taken on its own authority. You won't find one argument for or against the existence of God in it.
(I think you might like the Bhagavad Gita, btw. You ever read it?)
Quote:And so much of the gospels are absolutely stunning in what is attributed to Jesus.
Yeah but the Gospels have all kinds of crap that were penned in there after the fact to make it look like Jesus fulfilled all the Messianic prophesies. That's shady. Is this the corruption you were speaking of?
I'm a peacenik, so I rather like the peacenik stuff in the Bible (love thy neighbor and all that). I also find quite a few of Christ's parables meaningful and profound (in a strictly moral sense). But guess what else? I pretty much find everything the philosopher William James wrote and published to be meaningful and eloquent. That doesn't make him God and that doesn't make his writings holy.
Quote:The Quran comments on the Torah and Gospels and other divine books in the earth eloquently.
As true as that may be, nothing is proven by eloquence.