(April 22, 2018 at 6:25 pm)Hammy Wrote:(April 22, 2018 at 6:22 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: What I'm saying is that atheist can be moral. They just can't logically believe those morals which they hold are objective, imho.
(I am kudosing you because you made your point clear and well, I don't agree that atheists can't believe in objective morality. I'm an atheist and believe in objective morality!)
I guess you meant to say that you don't believe that atheists can rationally believe in objective morality, right? I am sure you believe that I believe in it, but you think that I don't have rational reason to do so.
Anyways, I think you are talking on the metaethical level, but Hitchens's wager is on the normative ethics level.
That is correct, Ham.
With that being said, I think I understand better now what the OP was asking. My answer is, no, there is no moral act/statement a theist can make that an atheist cannot. An atheist can have the same moral values as a theist.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh
