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Oh no not another free will thread.
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RE: Oh no not another free will thread.
(April 22, 2018 at 9:10 pm)Khemikal Wrote: @Lut
To paraphrase a wise man (E. Scrooge), are these things that will be, or things that can be, maybe?  

The former rules out classical free will.  The latter, maybe not..and it;s usually the grist for the mill on stories about people who change their destiny (so to speak).  There's a subtle difference in precognition in mythological stories between characters and traditions.  We have cassandra, for example..cursed to see a future that will be but that no one will believe.  Countless seers and sorcerors that see things that can be, maybe. 

Omni god belongs to the first category. Not some rando seer who divines potential futures from pig entrails....but a being that knows the actual future. You do what it knows you will, every time. You can do no other, or it never knew to begin with.

Knowing the actual future still does not eradicate free will.

Just because the being knows that you will choose the blue shirt over the green shirt does not mean there still wasn't a choice and that you still did not have the free will to choose between the two colored shirts.

A true absence of free will is an absence of choice. The being did not alter the future in any way to make you choose one colored shirt over another; rather, the being simply knew which colored shirt you would choose.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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Oh no not another free will thread. - by Edwardo Piet - April 22, 2018 at 8:56 pm
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RE: Oh no not another free will thread. - by Silver - April 22, 2018 at 9:12 pm
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RE: Oh no not another free will thread. - by Edwardo Piet - April 22, 2018 at 10:17 pm
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RE: Oh no not another free will thread. - by Edwardo Piet - April 22, 2018 at 10:25 pm
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RE: Oh no not another free will thread. - by MysticKnight - April 22, 2018 at 10:32 pm
RE: Oh no not another free will thread. - by Edwardo Piet - April 22, 2018 at 10:36 pm
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