Oh no not another free will thread.

[RoadRunner79]

Okay, I'll give it another crack now that we've had some insight.  Do you think that the availability of knowledge about what will be, not what could be, but what will be..leaves any freedom for you to exert in whatever choice that -will be- x, rather than y?

I'm not looking to change your pov. I'm gathering that you don't think that's the way the universe works, that the future is a bunch of could bes, not so much a bunch of will be's (known or unknown). The omni god, however, purports a universe that -does- work like that. That the future is a known will be.

Despite the available knowledge of what I will choose does not execute free will. That's what I am trying to explain. The choice is still there, correct? Do you not agree with that? If the choice is there, free will is as well. Knowledge of what will be chosen does not execute that free will. Knowledge of what will be chosen merely means knowledge of what will happen; in no way does it execute free will.

What I have come to realize, is that in these discussions, you have to be aware that others may be meaning something different than what we may be thinking. For instance, in the voting machine analogy. If the person goes into the voting booth machine, and makes their choice, we would say that they had a free will choice to do so. If however you found that in actuality, the machine was tampered with, and the voter could not have chose otherwise, then it is not free will. I would say that he still made a free decision, and that the completely external information, that there really wasn’t a choice, does not change a thing as far as free will.