(April 22, 2018 at 11:34 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(April 22, 2018 at 10:06 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: That may be true, but you can't deny the conclusion to prove the argument false, you have to deal with the argument. Also, I believe God innovates in real time, future doesn't exist, he is not bound by time, but neither is time something that exists from beginning to end with him, the present exists, the past once existed, and the future is going to come about and is not determined.
I see it as God being able to see past present and future simultaneously and all at once, because He is outside of time. While we can only see the present because we are bound by time. Think of it as God having the ability to see a cube at an angle, seeing 3 faces of it at a glance (3 squares, if you will.) Let's say we are on one of those squares. All we can see is the square we are currently on. The "present" square.
Anyway, God being able to see things this way doesn't take away the fact that we choose our own actions. It isn't a time travel situation where God goes into the future, sees what we do, comes back to the present, and now we cant do anything differently anymore because God already saw what He saw and so it's sealed that way forever. That's not really how I imagine it works.
Again, doesn't matter if God can see all events at once. Libertarian free will (in the nonrandom sense, which btw is another logical problem for the theists) and temporally omniscient God cannot logically coexist. It's either one or the other. In this sense, MK is spot on, and it's the typical theist that is getting this all wrong.
