(April 23, 2018 at 2:14 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(April 23, 2018 at 2:11 pm)Khemikal Wrote: "First" is an explicitly temporal referant. There is no "first" outside of time.
The first moment in time needs to come to exist.
Yes, even Kalam argument is correct and proves a timeless Creator.
Yeah looks like we agree here.
I don't see that time has to come after timelessness though. Maybe time is all God would need.